So I have twelve Ti rods, need six to build the GT3RS engine. Had a Ti expert look at them.. tells us all twelve are nice paperweights now

Call PMNA $3480 our cost for 6 Pankl rods

any one want to buy a souvenier? Im thinking of selling these rods on Ebay as curios

How did they fail?

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 13 2006, 07:50 PM)

Im thinking of selling these rods on Ebay as curios

Good idea, but I don't think you will recover much of the $3480.

Ti rods have a coating .. you can see a parting line where they are hung from the small end and dipped into a specialized coating. The Ti rod will fail where this coating has been worn away..also the Ti fasteners are ruined when you loosen them...$1500 for new fasteners

In my eye I had 12 rods that looked perfect.. but when put under a scope.. and having an expert show me the flaws.. We couldnt build the engine with the rods we had..

how much for the paper weight?

id like one

That'd be quite a conversation piece.

Whats wrong with me putting these rods on ebay? Ill put in bold print they are not useable, that they are only paperweights . sheesh

any of you want a nice Pankl Ti rod for a paperweight LOL

pick me pick me!

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 13 2006, 09:15 PM)

Whats wrong with me putting these rods on ebay? Ill put in bold print they are not useable, that they are only paperweights . sheesh any of you want a nice Pankl Ti rod for a paperweight LOL

add me to the wish list

Me too

Add me to that there list of paper weight wanters.

How much!? Give us a price. I'm interested.

"What's that?

"It's a $580 paperweight from a guys race car"


"Nice dust on it"

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Heey Mark....how's the tout pond outside your work? All better now?

Sounds like a cool thing, count me in for the waiting list.
eric

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 14 2006, 12:15 AM)

Whats wrong with me putting these rods on ebay? any of you want a nice Pankl Ti rod for a paperweight LOL

nothing except i think you can have them all presold here.

i'd be in for one... complete with the defective fasteners, please.

Where is your sense of adventure man! It's just a little coating after all. Nothing a little clear finger nail polish couldn't clean right up. Oh, and I'll take a cool paper weight too please

I'll take one please....

First stupid question of the day. What is the coating?

Second stupid question, Why not have then re-coated?

Third one coming, Is the coating simply an inducator for metal fatigue?

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First stupid question of the day. What is the coating? Second stupid question, Why not have then re-coated? Third one coming, Is the coating simply an inducator for metal fatigue?

We dont know anybody who recoats them, we dont know what the coating is. These rods are meant to have a service life of only 40 hours anyway. Im looking into the aerospace industry to see if there is a company tat can help outThe engines they came out of have about 20 hours on them, and we were hoping to get more use out of the rods.PMNA doesnt offer a reconditioning service for the rods. And there is a question whether or not they can be recoated/reconditioned. This is what we are going to explore next. Ill try and take some pics next week of the rods.

Its pretty amazing that the connecting rods in the GT3RS engines are considered a maintenance item. To be replaced when an engine is refreshed.

We know the owner of TiMet, a fellow racer. He
and one of his metalurgists visited the shop the other day equiped with microsopes etc. They gave use the bad news

i'll take one...

Aren't paperweights supposed to be HEAVY?

If the rods are bad, the crank must be bad too.. I'll take the crank!

so, how much for one of those super cool paperweights?
if the price is right, I'm in for one (if any left...)

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jan 14 2006, 10:05 PM)

so, how much for one of those super cool paperweights? if the price is right, I'm in for one (if any left...)

I'll take one, I'm too tired to count and see if any are left at this point.

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the crank must be bad too.. I'll take the crank!

So ya want a broken crank?

xyz

snap crackle pop

Maybe if Bill decides the rods can go we will do our own Ebay type bidding.. and Ill donate the money to a childrens charity or something on behalf of 914 owners that are crazy enough to buy parts that are being sold as no good

CaRnAgE tAsTEs GuD

Wait wait, motorsports sold you a bad rod? The RS motors on the Le Mans circuit are all sealed motors. If there is a problem with the rods, all the sealed Le Mans motors that come from PMNA are bad... things dont add up.

I think i'm reading this wrong

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I think i'm reading this wrong

Yes Matt your reading this wrong

We work on some GT3Rs and we own LeMans liveried GT3RS ex Racers Group car. And we have rebuilt a number of Supercup engines. PMNA doesnt like privateers to rebuild, and hot rod (wink wink) the engines. We were lucky enough to have a connection that was able to get us replacement connecting rods..

The rods in question didnt "fail" in a catastropic sense, they just dont pass muster to put into service in an engine.

The broken crank pics have nothing to do with the rods.. We took that whole broken crank engine and tossed it in the dumpster

And when things break on a PMNA or Porsche Motorsports engine... they tell you

"vee are sorry but this is racing" there is no quarantee

errrrr.... that's gotta hurt

Those Bastards

Jeroen, the exploded engine I showed, and the connecting rods are two totally seperate issues.

Yes it was painful because the owner of that blown up engine sued, and brought in two highly respected engine builder to to forensics on the engine. One of the experts restores F1 cars.. and the other was a builder that has a few 962 refreshes under his belt.. They looked at the remains of the engine... and gave us a clean bill of health!! nothing we did contributed to that grenade after the report was given to the courts.. we tossed the engine