ModPR3
Feb 26 2006, 11:54 PM
ok still exploring different engine posibilities, if i go with the fun frankenstine part of me, what engines do you know of that like to rev very very high for a street engine. i plan on doing more than one 914 in my life so i thought this one i would have fun with. my list as of now. please feel free to add.
honda s2000 2.0 (F20)- 9000rpm stock redline (rotates right direction)
acura rsx type s 2.0 (K20A) 7800rpm with room to grow (also rotates right direction)
mazda rotary (13b) 10000rpm in full race trim. ( heard bad things about this motor and heat thoug
toyota mr2/corolla gts 1.6 (4age) 7500rpm stock
nissan silva 2.0 turbo (sr20det) late gen 8000rpm
acura nsx motor v6 8000rpm
my knowlege on motors isnt much but pertains mostly to 4 cly engines need help with other 4, 6, 8 cyl engines. thanks if it can rev let me know.
Rand
Feb 27 2006, 12:01 AM
Nothing revs quite like a rotary.
But torque is more fun IMHO.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:04 AM
theres a thought. get a liter bike engine they make 120-160 hp. and rev around 12k 14k rpm
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:06 AM
Lets not go overboard here.
They MAKE three cylinder engines that rev higher than that.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:13 AM
ahhh so you were refering to non-production race engines. let me pick one of those outa my back pocket
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:15 AM
They REV fast! Who cares! It was an answer to a question. I definately don't know anything about two strokers. Wait. I made one for shop class. Thats it. I don't even know how fast IT reved. But one of my buddies mentioned the Yamaha thing the other night. He's NHRA. His stuff revs fast, I guess,
ModPR3
Feb 27 2006, 12:15 AM
anyone know what a tricked out subie motor could pull rpm wise or that v6 yammaha made for ford for the taurus svo or some car like that.
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:16 AM
Non-race.
They got banned from street use in USA.
I'll get the damn model to you tomorrow. Jesus.
Aaron Cox
Feb 27 2006, 12:20 AM
your all over the place man. h20 cooled 914/6, turbo aircooler.... etc....
rev's are for racers and ricers.......
why do you need to spool to 9k on a street motor?
gimme a stroked out six with mucho torque and it would be way more streetable....
put down the ricer mag and lets get into practical land
sorry to be harsh - just how i see ya
AA
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:20 AM
one of my buddies has this little 415ci sbc that is only puttin out about 700hp. with 13/1 comp. tunnel ram with 1400cfm worth of carbs on it. and it only revs to 8k and with a 8"stall converter it rev kinda quick, like lighting quick.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:23 AM
those 2strokes didnt get banned because of any high preformace reason. they couldnt meet epa and smog laws. askme what i know about rd 350's
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (messix @ Feb 26 2006, 10:20 PM) |
one of my buddies has this little 415ci sbc that is only puttin out about 700hp. with 13/1 comp. tunnel ram with 1400cfm worth of carbs on it. and it only revs to 8k and with a 8"stall converter it rev kinda quick, like lighting quick. |
My guy leaves the line at 7. Shifts at 10. Vintage class top fuel. SBC. 23deg heads.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:28 AM
QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 26 2006, 11:25 PM) |
QUOTE (messix @ Feb 26 2006, 10:20 PM) | one of my buddies has this little 415ci sbc that is only puttin out about 700hp. with 13/1 comp. tunnel ram with 1400cfm worth of carbs on it. and it only revs to 8k and with a 8"stall converter it rev kinda quick, like lighting quick. |
My guy leaves the line at 7. Shifts at 10. Vintage class top fuel. SBC. 23deg heads. |
yeah but mine is a street ride.
isn't it past your bed time?
Andyrew
Feb 27 2006, 12:31 AM
The bike engine is a possiblility, but its lack of tq down low would make it almost un drivable around town, and the extra umph it would take to push the car might cause the bike engine to overheat...
Possibility for a track car...
andrew
ModPR3
Feb 27 2006, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 26 2006, 10:20 PM) |
your all over the place man. h20 cooled 914/6, turbo aircooler.... etc....
rev's are for racers and ricers.......
why do you need to spool to 9k on a street motor? gimme a stroked out six with mucho torque and it would be way more streetable....
put down the ricer mag and lets get into practical land
sorry to be harsh - just how i see ya AA |
lol dont worry your not being harsh just speaking the truth and no offense taken. outside is my 1975 914 with a 1.8 and i wanted to restore that car from the ground up. from sand or the new dry ice blasting up to a really nice paint job, 911 sc suspension and breaks, rear 5 lug disk conversion in back, gt flares, and a 3.0 911 6 but then i got on hear and talking to other people and i think im going to save that car for later in life and now i just want to do something fun and alittle crazy. but yeah i have been all over the place with my questions hope i dont drive you all crazy im just like big spounge trying to learn all i can about everything even about rice rocket engines.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:31 AM
oh and that was only on the motor, i didn't mention the 2 stage 400 hp fogger nitrous [NOT NOS] shot it takes when you wanna run 9.70's on leaf springs
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:33 AM
What do you need 700hp on a street car for?
Honda killing?
No. It's NOT past my bedtime. Is that an age discrimitory statement?
Two bike engines in tandem?
Torque curves can change, but it'll bring revs down, and reduce throttle response, unless you already plan on running engine brakes.
Andyrew
Feb 27 2006, 12:37 AM
two bike engines in tantum.
What are you mike mueller?
Cost to do that would be upwards of 10k..., not encluding the engines...
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:37 AM
stupid question my young boy. simpley because we can. and it scares small children and old ladys. your to young for me to tell what it does to young women.
why do you young ricers put those ------------- big ass wings on you honda four dorr accords?
Andyrew
Feb 27 2006, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 26 2006, 11:36 PM) |
And NOS isn't as big of a boost as pure O2.
And getting 400hp from JUST nos is
That would be a 65% power increase. |
Dude...
Its called a 400 shot of nitrous...
and no.. its not bs.
I've seen a 300 shot of nitrous hold on a junkyard sbc.... Why cant a race engine setup for it do 400.
Aaron Cox
Feb 27 2006, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (Andyrew @ Feb 26 2006, 11:38 PM) |
QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 26 2006, 11:36 PM) | And NOS isn't as big of a boost as pure O2.
And getting 400hp from JUST nos is :bullshit:
That would be a 65% power increase. |
Dude...
Its called a 400 shot of nitrous...
and no.. its not bs.
I've seen a 300 shot of nitrous hold on a junkyard sbc.... Why cant a race engine setup for it do 400. |
im with andyrew (gasp! did i say that JK!!!)
its very doable... build the motor for it.
go to jegs/summit etc...
they have 500 shot nitrous setups.... also....
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:40 AM
he caught him self and edited it out
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (Andyrew @ Feb 26 2006, 10:37 PM) |
two bike engines in tantum.
What are you mike mueller?
Cost to do that would be upwards of 10k..., not encluding the engines... |
Are you kidding?!?
10K.
And where's your manufacturing background?
Weld the damn driveshafts together! They all operate off of glow plugs, get roughly 180deg out. Timing isn't an issue.
Aaron Cox
Feb 27 2006, 12:42 AM
QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 26 2006, 11:40 PM) |
QUOTE (Andyrew @ Feb 26 2006, 10:37 PM) | two bike engines in tantum.
What are you mike mueller?
Cost to do that would be upwards of 10k..., not encluding the engines... |
Are you kidding?!?
10K.
And where's your manufacturing background?
Weld the damn driveshafts together! They all operate off of glow plugs, get roughly 180deg out. Timing isn't an issue. |
chock this one up for the alphaisms thread
ModPR3
Feb 27 2006, 12:42 AM
i know a little about nitrous im actually a big fan of it and still learning but 400 shot its easyly attainable on an engine of that size. as displacement, time retarding and octane rating in fuel goes up so does the hp and shot size of nitrous. 65 percent hp rise is cake walk for a properly tuned nitrous system and engine.
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:44 AM
QUOTE (messix @ Feb 26 2006, 10:31 PM) |
oh and that was only on the motor, i didn't mention the 2 stage 400 hp fogger nitrous [NOT NOS] shot it takes when you wanna run 9.70's on leaf springs |
Forget the damn SBC. That's why I deleted my post.
Two bike engines in tandem.
That's the solution.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:45 AM
this engine could be good for about 1500hp easy with what its built with. heads are dart pro 1 cnc with 230cc intake port. lunati billet lite crank [drilled] and corrello rods [steel not ti so they'lle live on the street] and the block is a dart little m. just a little hobby for us.
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:49 AM
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:50 AM
I'm glad all the west coasters love their nitrous.
Flippin nuts. It's illegal to use it anyway.
Someone google bike engines running in tandem. I've seen it before.
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:51 AM
DAMN YOU ALL!
I'LL SHOW YOU!
DAMN IT!
GWAAA!
I'm gonna schplode!
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:51 AM
why is it illeagal. [can't wait to hear this]
Andyrew
Feb 27 2006, 12:51 AM
QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 26 2006, 11:40 PM) |
QUOTE (Andyrew @ Feb 26 2006, 10:37 PM) | two bike engines in tantum.
What are you mike mueller?
Cost to do that would be upwards of 10k..., not encluding the engines... |
Are you kidding?!?
10K.
And where's your manufacturing background?
Weld the damn driveshafts together! They all operate off of glow plugs, get roughly 180deg out. Timing isn't an issue. |
dude...
lol
sometimes I wonder wether your just looking for attention so you say stupid shit... and other times I wonder how someone with your "background" can be so stupid/ignorant.
To answer your question....
No, I dont have a "manufacturers background", I have common sense though...
A: your going to hold two engines together off of a single rotating assembly?
B: (big one) what happens if you get it out of balance a teeny bit?
C: would the welds hold?
Aaron Cox
Feb 27 2006, 12:52 AM
dont get butt-hurt.... use preparation H....
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:52 AM
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 12:54 AM
Yes it works.
Have you ever seen a tractor pull? With one of those damn monstrosities that run 2 V8s in tandem?
Andyrew
Feb 27 2006, 12:58 AM
Ok, you be the one... Go ahead..
If you can do it with ease, I'd like to see it!
Andrew
Aaron Cox
Feb 27 2006, 12:58 AM
i aim to please...... sometimes i miss and break a window....
im here all week...
g'night.....
messix
Feb 27 2006, 12:58 AM
trust me nobody welds those puller engines together. they're coupled with chains or gears. seen it with my own two eyes
Mueller
Feb 27 2006, 12:59 AM
QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 26 2006, 11:54 PM) |
Yes it works.
Have you ever seen a tractor pull? With one of those damn monstrosities that run 2 V8s in tandem? |
yes, it can and has been done....but it's not a very practical or "real" world solution....let's talk about "real" everyday things, not some fantasy BS stuff that your average joe cannot do or afford to pay to have done....
if I was to go "rice" and not go with a Subaru engine, my pick would be the honda/acura V6...they are becoming popular with the dune buggy crowd...
Mikes acura/honda V6 thread...with pictures
alpha434
Feb 27 2006, 01:00 AM
Dammit! HERE. Engines run in tandem. My style!
Tandem engines
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