DonTraver
Aug 23 2006, 12:04 PM
This months PCA mag Panorama has a article from Tom Bobbins (pres) about 2 idiots who took a 908 for a joy ride after drinking. The 908 had been lent to their chapter for a show. Long story short, they wrecked it, pca got sued for $250,000, idiots got sued, everyone got sued. Idiots suspended, waiting to be expelled from pca.
Lesson: Never, never lend your car (pride and joy) to anyone. I've heard too many of these stories, especially about lending to family. Let them use the pickup but never the pride and joy.
Story you always get, I'm so sorry about this, I just feel terrible, good, then pay for it, well, I don't feel that bad. Don't ask about that story.
Later, Don
ptravnic
Aug 23 2006, 12:12 PM
"Of course I know how to drive using a manual transmission."
Leo Imperial
Aug 23 2006, 12:24 PM
And the 2006 Darwin Award goes to...
Jenny
Aug 23 2006, 12:26 PM
QUOTE
Story you always get, I'm so sorry about this, I just feel terrible, good, then pay for it, well, I don't feel that bad. Don't ask about that story.
Jeroen knows this story well...
Jen
horizontally-opposed
Aug 23 2006, 12:26 PM
mudfoot76
Aug 23 2006, 12:27 PM
I read that piece just last night. It made me sick, learning of two drunken idiots wrecking a piece of Porsche racing history. Made me even sicker that the car's owner and his scumbag lawyers are going after PCA too, and that our wonderful civil justice system allows for it (because the car was leant for exhibit at a PCA gathering yet was being stored at a private third party location). If the 908s owner is a member, I hope they revoke his membership as well....
And castration is in order for the drunken idiots
Jeroen
Aug 23 2006, 01:28 PM
QUOTE(Jenny @ Aug 23 2006, 08:26 PM)
Jeroen knows this story well...
yeah... this is what happened to my 'pride and joy' in april 2004 when I let my neighbour drive it a little
I warned him a milion times to take it easy, so he parked it in a canal
Haven't seen a dime, still battling the bastard in court (and it aint looking good)
chilli
Aug 23 2006, 01:42 PM
QUOTE(DonTraver @ Aug 23 2006, 10:04 AM)
This months PCA mag Panorama has a article from Tom Bobbins (pres) about 2 idiots who took a 908 for a joy ride after drinking. The 908 had been lent to their chapter for a show. Long story short, they wrecked it, pca got sued for $250,000, idiots got sued, everyone got sued. Idiots suspended, waiting to be expelled from pca.
Lesson: Never, never lend your car (pride and joy) to anyone. I've heard too many of these stories, especially about lending to family. Let them use the pickup but never the pride and joy.
Story you always get, I'm so sorry about this, I just feel terrible, good, then pay for it, well, I don't feel that bad. Don't ask about that story.
Later, Don
AS I read the article the idots were the shop owner and employee. NOT PCA members.
Mike
Bleyseng
Aug 23 2006, 01:43 PM
QUOTE(Jeroen @ Aug 23 2006, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE(Jenny @ Aug 23 2006, 08:26 PM)
Jeroen knows this story well...
yeah... this is what happened to my 'pride and joy' in april 2004 when I let my neighbour drive it a little
I warned him a milion times to take it easy, so he parked it in a canal
Haven't seen a dime, still battling the bastard in court (and it aint looking good)
Hey, I have been to that shop! That picture still makes me sick
Yeah Jeroen, my feelings are hurt cuz you never let me drive it but you let a moron neighbor wreck it!
Atleast, I did get to ride shotgun with you.
70Sixter
Aug 23 2006, 01:44 PM
QUOTE(mudfoot76 @ Aug 23 2006, 10:27 AM)
I read that piece just last night. It made me sick, learning of two drunken idiots wrecking a piece of Porsche racing history. Made me even sicker that the car's owner and his scumbag lawyers are going after PCA too, and that our wonderful civil justice system allows for it (because the car was leant for exhibit at a PCA gathering yet was being stored at a private third party location). If the 908s owner is a member, I hope they revoke his membership as well....
And castration is in order for the drunken idiots
And it sounds like both the idiots and the 908 owner will get the PCA boot.
There is a lesson in there for all clubs and non-clubs hosting events. PCA was deemed a bailee because they benefitted from the previous display of the car. The devil is in the bailees (whatever they are).
RS22b
Aug 23 2006, 01:46 PM
wow! any pics, not that i really wanna see a recked 908, but you have to be curious.
Cap'n Krusty
Aug 23 2006, 02:02 PM
QUOTE(chilli @ Aug 23 2006, 12:42 PM)
QUOTE(DonTraver @ Aug 23 2006, 10:04 AM)
This months PCA mag Panorama has a article from Tom Bobbins (pres) about 2 idiots who took a 908 for a joy ride after drinking. The 908 had been lent to their chapter for a show. Long story short, they wrecked it, pca got sued for $250,000, idiots got sued, everyone got sued. Idiots suspended, waiting to be expelled from pca.
Lesson: Never, never lend your car (pride and joy) to anyone. I've heard too many of these stories, especially about lending to family. Let them use the pickup but never the pride and joy.
Story you always get, I'm so sorry about this, I just feel terrible, good, then pay for it, well, I don't feel that bad. Don't ask about that story.
Later, Don
AS I read the article the idots were the shop owner and employee. NOT PCA members.
Mike
You read wrong. Both members, one a regional officer, one the shop owner. Took it out TWICE! PCA is going after the two of 'em for recovery of damages. The Cap'n
chilli
Aug 23 2006, 02:07 PM
You read wrong. Both members, one a regional officer, one the shop owner. Took it out TWICE! PCA is going after the two of 'em for recovery of damages. The Cap'n
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Stand corrected, does not pay to get old
mike
nebreitling
Aug 23 2006, 02:34 PM
horrible story. as a general policy, i try to decline offers to drive cars that i can't afford.
drewvw
Aug 23 2006, 02:42 PM
so stupid...man jeroen that sucks. hopefully the courts come thru for you.
i have this one friend that keeps asking to borrow my 914. everytime he does i have this picture in my mind of my car in a ditch.
I would also like to see pics....
DonTraver
Aug 23 2006, 03:49 PM
drewvw and for others who have people asking to borrow their cars. I've been known to ask for a cash bond up front( minimum $10k), that usually shuts them up.
These 2 idiots were drinking wine for breakfast, then took the 908 out, then 1 came back, had more wine for lunch and took it out again and wrecked it. Wine for breakfast???
As far as PCA getting sued, it's the deep pockets lawsuit, sue everyone and see who has the most money.
Jeroen, looks like you found out the hard way, just like I did, hope it works out for you, didn't for me, I ate the whole thing. No one drives my cars or bike anymore.
Later, Don
ChrisFoley
Aug 23 2006, 04:03 PM
Hell, I don't even like test driving my customers' cars. Too many idiots on the roads.
JPB
Aug 23 2006, 04:05 PM
Hopefully it is still restorable specially for them coins.
J P Stein
Aug 23 2006, 05:06 PM
QUOTE(DonTraver @ Aug 23 2006, 02:49 PM)
drewvw and for others who have people asking to borrow their cars. I've been known to ask for a cash bond up front( minimum $10k), that usually shuts them up.
later, Don
My good Don:
I am reading with interest you kindest offer to borrow your car for $10000 USD.
Enclosed cashiers check have been forth coming to that ending. You will note that the certifies check is for more than the amount you wished. Please deposit the check at the bank you should choose and send the excessive funds back to me. My agent will soon be in your town to pick up the car.
We are truely blessed to be such good friends:
Ahmed
Jenny
Aug 23 2006, 05:27 PM
JPB
Aug 23 2006, 05:38 PM
Crazy pics.
Hey Jen, if I was driving and you were my passenger, I might crash too!LOL
Leg eye syndrome and your all legs!.
DonTraver
Aug 23 2006, 05:46 PM
Ahmed, sorry to confuse you, but I said cash with a minimum of $10k, no checks. Since you seem like such a upstanding guy, have I got a deal for you. Kindly send me $70k in $100's, I'll check each bill, I have one of those special pens. And you can be assured that I will send the difference back to you. I'll have the very rare, highly sought after Yugo waiting for you?
Waiting for your money, Don
Jenny, what's with the pictures of the idiots holding the gay signs in front of them, not that there's anything wrong with that. That one went way over my head.
anthony
Aug 23 2006, 05:47 PM
I stopped letting people drive my car because when you drive an old porsche you are one missed shift away from an overrev and a $10K engine rebuild or a broken transmission with $4K in damages. That is the risk I take but it's too much trouble to train people how to drive and old finicky car correctly and then make them sign a release for a few minutes of driving.
Jeron, how come insurance didn't pay for your car?
Jenny
Aug 23 2006, 05:52 PM
pics are from people that wised up to the 419 nigerian scam. They would email the scammer questioning their authenticity, and make them take pictures holding signs that said specific things, or put a dead fish on their head, etc.. The nigerian equivelant to a ransom picture with today's newspaper. The scammers would oblige not knowing what a sign saying "ITAKEIT UPMYARSE" means.
Leg eye syndrome.. LOL
Jen
JPB
Aug 23 2006, 06:00 PM
To all our Canuck brothers I say,"I'll pay in Canadian Tire money ay, and give you what ever you want plus a tip ay, okay?"
Works every time, specialy in Mexico!
rcrgrl
Aug 23 2006, 06:01 PM
my husband calls me at work a month or two ago to tell me he let his buddy - whos visiting from NYC - borrow the 914 while he's in town. wants to know if thats a problem.
we don't discuss that conversation anymore.....
DonTraver
Aug 23 2006, 06:05 PM
Love it, thanks for the laugh Jenny, I'd love to see their faces when they do figure out what the signs say.
Don
JPB
Aug 23 2006, 06:07 PM
QUOTE(rcrgrl @ Aug 23 2006, 08:01 PM)
my husband calls me at work a month or two ago to tell me he let his buddy - whos visiting from NYC - borrow the 914 while he's in town. wants to know if thats a problem.
we don't discuss that conversation anymore.....
This is a disgarceful outrage!! Girlfriend, you need to leave him and get yourself a true 914 MAN!!!
If you don't mind a fella with huge testicules that is!LOL
Jenny
Aug 23 2006, 06:11 PM
One more.
Alright, sorry for the
McMark
Aug 23 2006, 06:21 PM
QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Aug 23 2006, 03:03 PM)
Hell, I don't even like test driving my customers' cars. Too many idiots on the roads.
I know
exactly what you mean.
drewvw
Aug 23 2006, 07:23 PM
I'm still wrapping my brain around this one:
wine for breakfast, then going back for more and driving the car (that's worth a ton which is not yours) AGAIN. These guys are either stupid or arrogant...probably all of the above.
Pat Garvey
Aug 23 2006, 07:25 PM
Suspended? Is this guys nuts, or has the PCA President even become PC???
I'm a 33 year member of PCA & this rhetoric "frosts my n_ts"! Suspended?
These IDIOTS have cost the Club a huge amount of money & they're only suspended? They should be castrated in public! That's almost 6,000 members annual dues! And, all Bobbitt says is to suspend them! Next time I'll vote on the slate. At least I'll make a statement about selecting someone who hasn't been waiting in line to be elected. Sad! Suspended? Throw them out for good. Show you have some testicles, you wimp! i don't care who the are - they're criminals & drunks! Get rid of them.
Abomination! It'll take a LOT for me to renew my PCA dues next year.
Cap'n Krusty
Aug 23 2006, 07:39 PM
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Aug 23 2006, 06:25 PM)
Suspended? Is this guys nuts, or has the PCA President even become PC???
I'm a 33 year member of PCA & this rhetoric "frosts my n_ts"! Suspended?
These IDIOTS have cost the Club a huge amount of money & they're only suspended? They should be castrated in public! That's almost 6,000 members annual dues! And, all Bobbitt says is to suspend them! Next time I'll vote on the slate. At least I'll make a statement about selecting someone who hasn't been waiting in line to be elected. Sad! Suspended? Throw them out for good. Show you have some testicles, you wimp! i don't care who the are - they're criminals & drunks! Get rid of them.
Abomination! It'll take a LOT for me to renew my PCA dues next year.
READ THE LETTER! It reads, more or less, " suspension as a precursor to expulsion consistent with the bylaws." Failure to observe the bylaws would open the club to litigation, something I think they've had enough of ............... The Cap'n
Tobra
Aug 23 2006, 07:43 PM
too bad, that is my favorite car. So if I join the PCA, do I get to get drunk and run around in a priceless race car? MaybeI will join after all...
Mueller
Aug 23 2006, 07:46 PM
last year or so there was a story in the paper of cars racing on the freeway at high speeds, one of the cars was a 944 ..in the next months local PCA region newsletter they reprinted the article stating that if the owner is caught and found to be a PCA member, they will get the boot
boxstr
Aug 23 2006, 09:04 PM
Bobbit gave his last speech at Portland Parade, He is out this year.
CCLINPCAMEMBER
STL914
Aug 23 2006, 09:58 PM
I was a PCA Board Member for several years in the St. Louis Region. At one of our board meetings, the club insurance issue was discussed. Even though members must sign a waiver at each driving event that states the Region and PCA can not be held liable if someone is hurt or there is some damage. we found out that the waivers were worthless. The Regional club and officers, including Board Members, could still be sued jointly and individually. It was at that point that several of us resigned our positions. So in the case of the 908, any standing officer of the regional PCA club could be sued to collect damages.
Brett W
Aug 23 2006, 10:16 PM
You guys will have to forgive the local idiots. From what I hear the car was in town for Dixie Tech, a tech session held by the Heart of Dixie region. The shop Autobahn Techs was supposedly where the event was held and the car was stored there. The car showed up at our local autocross.
Here is the account from local members who were there minutes before the death of the car in question.
http://teamtac.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi?actio...ay&num=4251
mihai914
Aug 23 2006, 11:09 PM
There's an old saying in Romanian;
Your car is like your significant other, you don't lend it to anyone!
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