Gas prices went up here $0.20/gal here since yesterday.

Is this typical nationwide?

They went up in the San Francisco area as well. Why is it that it takes weeks and weeks to go down, but they go up over night?



You think we are getting

How much did it go up out in SF? (is it close to the .20/gal ?)

It's in that area. It depends on the area. My local shell station went up .17.

We don't just have high prices here in Ontario. Half of the gas stations around are actually out of fuel. Railway strikes and a fire at a refinery have resulted in major supply issues and 25% increases in fuel prices. $1.00 a litre = $3.15 US a gallon

Being aware and doing something about it falls under forbidden subject things.
Forbidden everywhere most surf to on the web so that is WHY the prices go up.
Locally, that is policy too. "Shuddup and pay cause you ain't squat by yourself."
All you can do is pay and of course gripe about high costs. Gripe too concetrated and to the point just makes it climb higher to say they got you by the nuts if you don't like it. Never allow a complaint about those responsible who created them.
One type screws another women they aren't married to. Peach em. (sic)
Other one screws us all. Dead silence results of stifle by forbidden subject rules.

current gasoline price in germany:

1.30 Euro per Liter = 4.92 Euro per US Gallon = $6.51 per US Gallon

quit yer whining ...
Andy

Yeah, but we're an oil producing nation. Sheesh. Besides, I am not whining, as soon as I win the lottery this week I will be independently wealthy......

Gas went up because of Internet porn?

Actually heard about this last week from a co-worker. Said there was going to be some sort of shortage so I should gas up. He was right the last time so I figured I would listen this time. Filled the tank up at 2.19 a gallon. I just pass a station today that said 2.49.

Always the mysterious "Fire" ... They don't even both saying where any more .... Hummm ....

Hey Bud,

I'm not whining. I am simply inquiring if this is local to me or not. It really sounds like NOT.

I guess it's time to drag out and show all those E89 propaganda ads again ......

(or invest in oil stocks)

Today the price for one litre 1.43euro

that brings it to: $7.16 per US Gallon

Andy

Where's Greg?

"No Escalade for you!"

It is $2.26 in Boerne. I saw it $2.19 in San Antonio yesterday. I though the big freeze in the East last week caused the shortage. All the crude oil was going into heating oil. One refinery fire is not enough to put a dent in prices unless you believe the propaganda.

We're all getting but we've done it to ourselves through the choices we've made.

I'll probably go down in flames for this, but I'd embrace $5 a gallon to get people out of their SUVs, but only IF (and it be a big IF) the $2+ dollars in taxes went to freeway improvements (keep cars from stoping and sitting in traffic) AND making public transit free for all (get people out of their cars).

We do free public transit days here in the Bay Area (called "Spare the Air" days) when the smog prospects get fugly, and people have started to ask what the cost to make PT free everday would be. Some of the projections are very attractive...

It's not a perfect plan, of course, but we need to do something, and soon. And giving more money to big oil doesn't seem to be it -- at least not for me.

I know, I know "It'll never happen." But one can dream, can't he?

pete

$1.99 here on Planet Utah

Utah and cheaper gas.
I seem to remember reading somewhere why but can't recall.
But think the NE states in specific will pay more for thinking why about oil and other things so they might recall. Makes them BLUE when they think about it.

There you have it... you guys up there in the NE stop thinking deeper and your prices will come down. You heard it here first!

How about $5/gallon, and national health care for everyone?

2.89 + for cheap shit in SloCal.

I don't believe the BS... I think the petroleum industry is trying to make up for their 20-something percent 'loss' in revenue last year. Seriously, they only made $200bn+ instead of ~$240bn oh no! More price gouging.

Also, there is the big push for Ethenol now. Expect consumer-end prices for gasoline to go up. Refining will not be the expense, but chemical additives will allow for price inflation ("It costs us more to make cleaner gas!"). I like how there was a push for ethanol enrichment but not bio diesel. Why is that? Oh, it costs so much less to manufacture is why. And you need almost nothing to convert a car to run on BD... I could see it now, we all do turbo diesel subaru flat-4 conversions. Oh shit, 250+hp and 40+mpg!!! We could even all drive in the carpool lane together...

My 1968 318 CI V8 Dodge Coronet got 13 MPG; quite pitiful. 30 years later, my 2.8L Audi A6 gets 19 MPG; still pitiful that we didn't learn to conserve energy. We deserve this kind of gas-sticker-shock treatment for not continuing the conservation of energy we started in the 70's.

The only way we get out of this mess is to reduce our consumption of oil, get ourselves off of foreign oil, and get back into efficient autos like we started to in the 70's and 80's. We need to use less oil.

I would like to see the government mandate minimum MPGs for new cars along with forcing the automakers to make a percentage of their fleets be hybrids. For automakers who just import to the US, then imports should be forced to have mandated min MPGs and same percentages of imports be hybrids.

Too bad I can't take away 25-50% of my daily driver's HP to get 25-50% more fuel efficiency, and put that HP in my 914 and go like hell.

Spoke

Spoke

Or we could push for the electric cars... The tesla is the way to go, 250 miles per charge, and 0-60 in 4 seconds. Now if only the price would come down a bit. One of my main cars is a Ford Ranger EV, so gas prices dont bother me too much, since the sun fills up the Ranger each day.

Fast too...

Everyone buys electric cars, and the price of electricity goes up. Duh. Until the technology is available for completely renewable energy sources, everyone gets raped. And probably even then.

If it's something you NEED, then they can charge a lot for it. Until the cost outweighs that need. I, unfortunately, will still buy gas when it hits 5.50 a gallon. The guys who already have electric cars are in a really good situation. The powers don't know what they need and how to manipulate it... yet.

P.S. I made the bellhousing for Tesla #1

price increases due to demand for electricity will be tempered by competition from producers - as is, as will be. The real problem is alot of electricity is derived from oil.

Ethanol by the way, also results in increased use of oil. More energy is used in producing ethanol than the energy content of the ethanol that is produced.

I paid $3.20 a gallon at Exxon Mobil yesterday. Took $60.00 to fill the tail dragger. Didn't Exxon post the largest profit in US history last year? We can bitch about this till the cows come home or Slits gets his 6 running, which ever comes first but the fact is, even at $3.20 a gallon it's still a good deal. Adjusted for inflation, compare to what it was in the twenties might surprise you. Those of us that lived through the Arab oil embargo are just glad it's still available. Anyone remember waiting in line for two hours to gas up? If it was even available??

Cheers, Elliot

The power companies have excess capacity at night, so even if a large portion of the population switches to electric, they still wont have to add capacity. Then again you can always go solar. This is especially effective in California, since the state will pay for half of the cost of a solar electric system. This makes filling up the electric car free, as long as the sun is shining. Not having to pay an electric bill is an added benefit as well.

Yes. But it was $00.37 9/10th a gallon then. Now they will charge you more than that $3.20, tell you they are out of gas, raise the price to twice that, and immediately can pump it into as many tanks as you can pay for faster than you can spell youhavejustbeengougedbythemansbuddiessucker.

.37 cents a gallon?? I paid less than that in 1965!! I have to agree with the yuohavejustbeengouged comment. Gas used to be somewhat of a luxury way back when. Now it's a necessity. EVERYBODY needs it and they (oil folks) know it.

Elliot

Not political.
Nixon was President. King Hussien of Iran said there was no oil shortage and the wells were pumping in their oil fields there at full capacity and they should know since more oil came from Iran during that era than anywhere else. I traded my wife's Continental in and bought a stinking brand new 1973 Pinto, worse car I ever owned. Kept it 34 days.

I'm glad my 73 2.0 gets 32mpg. Now I just gotta get it running, again.







And by the way... electric cars are going to solve so many problems all with one stone. There are some interesting battery developements on the horizen... like 4x the capacity of lithium, and 5-10minute recharge time capacitor/batteries. When those come into maturity we'll be cruising so much cleaner and cheaper.

I think the guy who sets the retail price for the gas companys is on crack.
How can the same brand be 25 cents cheaper with in 2 blocks of the higher station. $2.78 high ,2.53 low. It,s so screwed up there even is a web site for people to report cheaper prices in N.W. Ohio. Every time you fill up you should get a fee tube of K Y Jelly dave

I routinely see Shell stations with +/- 20cent price differentials that are within 1/2 mile of each other. These stations are on high-traffic roads here in Indy and both are in an equally affluent area of town, so local economics would not seem to figure in

We have those gas price websites here too. The past two years when it has gotten "unpleasantly" pricey, I started carpooling. But as soon as the price descends below 2.50 for regular, the car pool participants magically vanish. The prices are approaching this magic threshold around here right now and I expect to hear from my peeps any day now.

Lucky for me, my MINI averages 30mpg for my daily commute...

I have almost perfected my teleportation pods, and as soon as I have caught that annoying house fly that is buzzing around..............

My gripe, is Why Diesel is always $.50 MORE than regular gas?
When it cost way less to make!?
This always bugs me.

I have a slightly different take....

Crude coming out of the ground is relatively cheap and the Crude reserves are quite large...when you have to pump it (as opposed to having it flow under natural pressure) the price goes up...when you have to seperate it from sand or get it off shore the cost goes up again.

So as the oil companies raise the prices, and their profits, we conserve oil and prolong the use of traditional sources. As long as traditional sources are economically viable, alternates (renewable sources) will not get the attention they are due.

So I say burn all the gas you can now (while it is cheaper than it will be tomorrow) so we can force the development of renewable sources at an economic level that is currently competitive (including development costs) and will reduce overall costs in the future through economies of scale while breaking the oil companies monopolies!

But I still won't trade in my 3.2l for a V8 HEMI....

I tried to do something besides type at my screen concerning the high cost. Picked up the phone and tried to call the main man that rules oil sales and imports in the USA. The OFFICE said he was out of town on important personal company business in Afghanistan but planned to return as soon as a good deal for his favorite good buddy, Hali Burton could be accomplished.

On the subject of electricity, I don't think it's as simple as most people believe.
The electricity must come from somewhere.
Within 10 miles of me there are 2 powerplants, Diablo Nuclear and Morro Bay's Duke energy plant. Duke uses fuel oil in the winter and natural gas in the summer, both are petroleum, both pollute. Nuclear waste is a big problem as well, right now they store it at the site. What will be done with the waste? Who knows?
I used to live on a 40' sailboat, moored in the middle of the bay, so I generated all of my own electricity. I used a fresh water pump, 2 small flourescent lights, a propane detector, a battery monitor, and a small color TV. I had 3 big solar panels and the best wind generator that money could buy, but I still had to run the generator every week to keep up. Electricity is not as easy to make as we think.
There are problems with renewable electricity generation methods as well as nuclear and peroleum plants. Hydro-electric requires damming rivers which harm fish migrations and destroys seasonally wet habitats as well as innundating interesting archaeological sites, and many other problems.
Windmill farms take a lot of space and require very consistent wind conditions, and they kill a lot of birds (mine caught a seagull one day when it was blowing 35, it made a 10 foot swath of seagull goo across my deck).
Solar arrays are very expensive to build, take a lot of space, cause some pollution in their manufacture, and require a lot of maintenance.
The solar panels don't last that long. They loose a lot of efficiency after 5 years.
Electric cars are not a magic bullet.
Hydrogen may be better, but it takes electricity to make hydrogen.
I haven't offered any solutions, I've only listed problems.
I sound like a Democrat.

I haven't offered any solutions, I've only listed problems.

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Living close to where you need to go daily, smaller homes require less energy and less plastic decorations, especially for the average sized family, walking in ordinary shoes not made of plastic, roller skates with wooden wheels, row boats made of wood, ski boats that run off solar propelled water tubines, surf boards, hoola hoops, ordinary excercise such as pushups that don't require a machine with electrical motors, playing cork ball, horseshoes, marbles, mumleepeg, erector sets not plastic blocks. using wood stoves, rolled paper logs to start fire, not petroleum lighter fluids, pencil and paper instead of computers and making any companys earnings absolutely tax free if, after actual cost to the company, profit is 3% and less excluding legal garbage loopholes which when discovered, jump their tax rate to 25% or what ever the credit card moguls used to charge before going out of business in 2008 because everyone was sane once again and paying cash for everyday needs.
Oh and gasoline is a beverage for those to drink that have it to sell.

I got you beat - I measured the prototype bellhousing (a honda) with our CMM we used to have at work. My old boss works at Tesla.

I sure hope prices come back down in a few weeks....

I get the "pleasure" of driving from home (Nor-Cal) to Oro Valley, AZ (near Tucson I think which is 850 miles one-way) sometime in March, more likely the end of March to pick up my mom and her stuff and move her into our house (her husband died a few weeks ago, she cannot collect his pension for 2 years and left her with no money, so we get to take care of her...oh joy)

I'll be getting a diesel rental truck for sure...still figuring out if I should fly out there or drive and tow the car back or what???

A month ago I could get regular for $2.01 at various places on the Eastern Shore. Today I filled up at $2.31 - and it's pretty much the same everywhere. I hate having to drive 86 miles a day to get to work and back, but moving sucks even more.

Electric cars are a great idea and all, but who makes a decent sounding exhaust for one?

Former Canadian defense minister has the solution:

Solution

You do realize that $5/gallon gas will drive up the cost of everything you buy, right? Considering that everything is delivered to stores by truck, any immediate jump to $5/gallon would be an economic disaster for the US.

Sadly the aliens gave a choice between an unlimited clean energy source and a magical little blue pill, guess what the governments of planet Earth chose?

Or convert your 914 to run a VW 1.9 TDI engine... It can be done ... the sad thing is that I have actually investigated it quite a bit.

You could get 100 hp and 177 lb ft of torque... It could make for a peppy 914 that gets 60 something mpg... it pulls down high 40's in a car that weighs about 1K pounds more...

$2.50 a gallon for regular in Boise, Idaho for the past two weeks. But then we are a captive audience in that they have a single gas pipeline to Boise coming out of Salt Lake City. All gas, whatever the brand, comes through that pipe line. They can, and do, whatever the hell they want with regard to prices.