I like the look (and ease of replacement) of the bolted-on GT flare. Does anyone have detailed (up-close) pics of this treatment? What size/number/type of screws or bolts were used.
Please post pics
Thanks
BH
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BTW, that car 
belongs to Brett W.
Or how about this one....does it belong to anyone here?
belongs to Brett W.Or how about this one....does it belong to anyone here?
The white one is Scott Schroeder's car. He's on the board.
Scott,
Can you give us details?
BH
Can you give us details?
BH
I think most of what people refer to as “bolt on” flares are actually riveted. The rivets I used were 3/16"dia. by 3/4" long, measured from the top of the rivet to the bottom of the shoulder.
If your building a race car check out High Performance House's flare system.
If your building a race car check out High Performance House's flare system.
I put riveted flares on my race car and learned several things: Use "large head" rivets, available from Racer Parts Wholesale and a backing washer so they will not pull loose. Get a pneumatic riveter such as the low cost one from Harbor Freight as it is much easier to use than a manual one. Get a couple of packs of the right size Cleco fasteners and a pair of the Cleco pliers from Racer Parts to hold them on with as you drill all the holes. Install the flared rocker panels on first using the jack point opening as a locator then fit the flares to mate with the ends of the rocker panels. Oh yea, the large head rivets also come in colors besides natural aluminum. Good luck
bump....still lookin for pics
I'll email Scott and ask him to stop by here...
Hi All -
I unfortunately do not have pics on my office computer, I will post some this evening.
Mine are bolt on - no rivets. The gasket I used between the flare and the body is a "heavy duty" vw bug fender gasket. The heavy duty moniker gives toy a bigger bead. They were super cheap - like 10.00 for the whole car. The flares use a stainless rounded button head phillips machine screw on a hard rubber washer. Undernieth is a small fender washer and nylock nuts. This was what the guys at Better Bodies told me they were using on their GT2 body kits. I did mine this way as I loved the look of the old 934, and I simply dont trust the adhesives in terms of future cracks (we had a 70 degree temp swing here in less than 6 hours - and that is not uncommon). I have had them off several times - it makes strut/shock and brake work SO easy.
Sorry for the delay - again, check back later tonight tomorrow.
Scott S
I unfortunately do not have pics on my office computer, I will post some this evening.
Mine are bolt on - no rivets. The gasket I used between the flare and the body is a "heavy duty" vw bug fender gasket. The heavy duty moniker gives toy a bigger bead. They were super cheap - like 10.00 for the whole car. The flares use a stainless rounded button head phillips machine screw on a hard rubber washer. Undernieth is a small fender washer and nylock nuts. This was what the guys at Better Bodies told me they were using on their GT2 body kits. I did mine this way as I loved the look of the old 934, and I simply dont trust the adhesives in terms of future cracks (we had a 70 degree temp swing here in less than 6 hours - and that is not uncommon). I have had them off several times - it makes strut/shock and brake work SO easy.
Sorry for the delay - again, check back later tonight tomorrow.
Scott S
Here is the tops - kind of a distant pic. More tonight....
QUOTE(Scott Schroeder @ Dec 17 2003, 09:12 AM)
I did mine this way as I loved the look of the old 934...
I have had them off several times - it makes strut/shock and brake work SO easy.
I have had them off several times - it makes strut/shock and brake work SO easy.
Scott, thanks for the info
Totally! The "bolted-on" treatment looks so business like 
I like the idea of being able to remove for brake/suspension maintenance..
Did you use the "flared" rockers as well? Where did you purchase your flares? The prices at www.rennspd.com seem very reasonable. Anyone have experience w/ them?
Did you have to do any trimming on the fiberglass or just prep/paint & bolt-on?
I'd like to see some close-ups of the rocker/flare interface
Thanks!
BH
I bought one from Performance Parts, two from Pelican and one from GT racing due to everyone having inventory issues. Yes, they required a great deal of prep work. Each flare had a different shaped flange where they met the body. I spent several hours using a big upright drum sander to get them the same. I was also surprised at how many pin holes and imperfections there were in a couple of them. So, yeah, lots of the typical fiberglass finish time to get them "right". I am still not completely satisfied - but I am pretty anal.
Yes, I have the normal GT flared rockers. I am a big believer that you have to have these to get the flares on the car correctly. I mounted them on the car first before I did anything else with the fenders - especially the cutting!
Yes, I have the normal GT flared rockers. I am a big believer that you have to have these to get the flares on the car correctly. I mounted them on the car first before I did anything else with the fenders - especially the cutting!
QUOTE(Scott Schroeder @ Dec 17 2003, 10:42 AM)
I am a big believer that you have to have these to get the flares on the car correctly. I mounted them on the car first before I did anything else with the fenders - especially the cutting!
that's the only way to go if you want to fit your flares right.
the rockers give you a point of reference ...
Andy
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The prices at www.rennspd.com seem very reasonable. Anyone have experience w/ them
DON'T DO IT!
I bought both bumpers, valance and rockers from them. Every single piece had to be cut and reworked.
I have other glass pieces on my car and I got them from Mark Bartosh (classifieds in Pano). My flares came from AIR. Marks stuff is the best. AIR is good. I say this because I want you to know that I realize "all glass" will need "some" work. Rennspeeds stuff needs some "MAJOR" work. At least the batch I got...
Rennspeed breakdown:
Front bumper - Two left mounts glassed into the bumper. Had to cut the right on and reweld it.
Valance - Hung out 1"+ on each side. Had to cut a "v" and reglass them. Serious PITA.
Rear Bumper - Had to grind out copiuos amounts from each corner where the car meets the bumper... still finalizing the fit on that one (working front to back)
Rockers - concave curve on the top. I will glass in a hinge at the back to emulate the rally car rockers and eliminate the problem with the front fitting and the back side being about 1/2" too high!
Need pictures or was that scary enough?
E.
P.S. I don't want to harp but that was my experience. If any others have had better luck please weigh in...
well, it sounds like w/ rennspd, you get what you pay for....
Are AIR's flares (hey, that rhymes
) similar in price to Mark's stuff?
Are AIR's flares (hey, that rhymes
) similar in price to Mark's stuff?
I think Mark's a little less expensive. I don't know if he has flares though. I got both hoods from him and all my 911 RS stuff (ducktail, hood, bumpers). I'm thinking about getting 914 doors from him... not sure if I want to go glass on those though.
E.
E.
Um.. I have yet to see a replica rocker that was correct. I dont personally suggest using the F/G rocker as a guide to do anything.
B
B
Hey I just started a restoration for my father and I was wondering what websites to get bolt on flares and I need to know how to do it
found a couple
I bought all of my glass from rennspeed. The front bumper could fit better but I am satisfied with it and everything else.
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I don't think it matters much who you buy fiberglass from. Just resign yourself that it will take some work. I sent these pics to Jeff at QRS Fiberglass. Waiting for a call. Looks like some major trimming to do.
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jan 25 2013, 07:59 PM) 
I don't think it matters much who you buy fiberglass from. Just resign yourself that it will take some work. I sent these pics to Jeff at QRS Fiberglass. Waiting for a call. Looks like some major trimming to do.
Just wanted to add a pic of Tony (cracker) car.
Here's where we are so far.
This is a good thread!
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...197383&st=0
Also you can check out my thread on the bottom of my signature or search N2Deep build.
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Ok, so they are not bolt on...
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Dec 17 2003, 05:10 PM)
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DON'T DO IT!
I bought both bumpers, valance and rockers from them. Every single piece had to be cut and reworked.
I have other glass pieces on my car and I got them from Mark Bartosh (classifieds in Pano). My flares came from AIR. Marks stuff is the best. AIR is good. I say this because I want you to know that I realize "all glass" will need "some" work. Rennspeeds stuff needs some "MAJOR" work. At least the batch I got...
Rennspeed breakdown:
Front bumper - Two left mounts glassed into the bumper. Had to cut the right on and reweld it.
Valance - Hung out 1"+ on each side. Had to cut a "v" and reglass them. Serious PITA.
Rear Bumper - Had to grind out copiuos amounts from each corner where the car meets the bumper... still finalizing the fit on that one (working front to back)
Rockers - concave curve on the top. I will glass in a hinge at the back to emulate the rally car rockers and eliminate the problem with the front fitting and the back side being about 1/2" too high!
Need pictures or was that scary enough?
E.
P.S. I don't want to harp but that was my experience. If any others have had better luck please weigh in...
So wait....your photoshop car is fiberglass?
So, a not real photochop car made with not real fiberglass?
QUOTE(r_towle @ Apr 8 2013, 06:24 PM)
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Dec 17 2003, 05:10 PM)
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DON'T DO IT!
I bought both bumpers, valance and rockers from them. Every single piece had to be cut and reworked.
I have other glass pieces on my car and I got them from Mark Bartosh (classifieds in Pano). My flares came from AIR. Marks stuff is the best. AIR is good. I say this because I want you to know that I realize "all glass" will need "some" work. Rennspeeds stuff needs some "MAJOR" work. At least the batch I got...
Rennspeed breakdown:
Front bumper - Two left mounts glassed into the bumper. Had to cut the right on and reweld it.
Valance - Hung out 1"+ on each side. Had to cut a "v" and reglass them. Serious PITA.
Rear Bumper - Had to grind out copiuos amounts from each corner where the car meets the bumper... still finalizing the fit on that one (working front to back)
Rockers - concave curve on the top. I will glass in a hinge at the back to emulate the rally car rockers and eliminate the problem with the front fitting and the back side being about 1/2" too high!
Need pictures or was that scary enough?
E.
P.S. I don't want to harp but that was my experience. If any others have had better luck please weigh in...
So wait....your photoshop car is fiberglass?
So, a not real photochop car made with not real fiberglass?
everything about Eric is a fraud
Bushwhackers are cool.
QUOTE(Rand @ Apr 8 2013, 08:05 PM)
Bushwhackers are cool.
YUP i SEE IT!
I love the bolt/screw on look, especially with really nice paint. I haven't seen any pictures of how the underside looks, or is supposed to look? Anybody have some "business side" pictures?
QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Apr 4 2014, 02:05 PM)
the red one looks terrible.the transformation from flares to rockers and bumpers
QUOTE(The Metal Surgeon @ Apr 4 2014, 11:31 PM)
QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Apr 4 2014, 02:05 PM)
the red one looks terrible.the transformation from flares to rockers and bumpers
track day rivet flares - Rivets from Pegasus racing.
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Not worried about the "blend" as it is a track only car, but there are new rockers in the near future...
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Not worried about the "blend" as it is a track only car, but there are new rockers in the near future...
The flares do look good on some cars and bad on others.
IMHO
IMHO
QUOTE(BKLA @ Apr 8 2014, 06:57 PM)
track day rivet flares - Rivets from Pegasus racing.
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Not worried about the "blend" as it is a track only car, but there are new rockers in the near future...
Is your car signal yellow, the color looks great!
I have some pics of the install if anyone is looking for that.
Trekkor,
Who's flares did you install?
Who's flares did you install?
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Dec 17 2003, 05:10 PM)
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DON'T DO IT!
I bought both bumpers, valance and rockers from them. Every single piece had to be cut and reworked.
I have other glass pieces on my car and I got them from Mark Bartosh (classifieds in Pano). My flares came from AIR. Marks stuff is the best. AIR is good. I say this because I want you to know that I realize "all glass" will need "some" work. Rennspeeds stuff needs some "MAJOR" work. At least the batch I got...
Rennspeed breakdown:
Front bumper - Two left mounts glassed into the bumper. Had to cut the right on and reweld it.
Valance - Hung out 1"+ on each side. Had to cut a "v" and reglass them. Serious PITA.
Rear Bumper - Had to grind out copiuos amounts from each corner where the car meets the bumper... still finalizing the fit on that one (working front to back)
Rockers - concave curve on the top. I will glass in a hinge at the back to emulate the rally car rockers and eliminate the problem with the front fitting and the back side being about 1/2" too high!
Need pictures or was that scary enough?
E.
P.S. I don't want to harp but that was my experience. If any others have had better luck please weigh in...
As many have said, these are allot of work. Profiles all different, leg widths different. I probably have invested-
3 hours of initial shaping, test fitting, shaping, marking and drilling flares.
6 hours-filling, sanding, blocking, priming,painting all by Scotty
9 hours of installing- including positioning, marking, cutting existing fenders then drilling, re-profiling bottoms of flares, bolting on and installing welting.
And looks like I will need to do some work to match one flare to the rocker.
I bought mine from patrick and they told me a vendor supplies them. Probably all made by the same vendor ??? Except the full fenders like Sheridan, Patrick, QRs.
I don't know which flares they are. 7's and 9's.
They were a gift.
They were a gift.
I used 1/4-20 rivnuts and not pictured here some 1/4 inch washers with rubber underneath. looked real good till a mercedes had something to say about it.
Rubber fender flare trim also was used around the flare.
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Rubber fender flare trim also was used around the flare.
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I used high strength adhesive tape and bonded studs and used fender washers on the inside to hide external fasteners.
I spent a week or two modifying and fairing all the edges of the flares. With the bolt on look the seam line where the flare attaches is a big part of the aesthetic.
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This other photo also shows the winter suspension project.
I spent a week or two modifying and fairing all the edges of the flares. With the bolt on look the seam line where the flare attaches is a big part of the aesthetic.
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This other photo also shows the winter suspension project.
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