from my knowledge:

MY'70 - smooth surface
MY'71 - smooth surface
MY'72 - basket weave
MY'73 - basket weave
MY'74 - basket weave
MY'75 - basket weave (wider pattern)
MY'76 - basket weave (wider pattern)

Gustl

...geez Eric, what took you so long? Busy selling off parts or what?


I stand corrected on the MY '70 cars. Thought I'd read elsewhere that they were basketweave.

Lots of good info surfacing here. I'll try to summarize in one place this evening.

It is very clear that my car 9140430041 has fender beading. So what is up with that?

Bob BurtonClick to view attachmentClick to view attachment

that was my point all along. it looks like even the early *production* cars had the fender to cowl seam.
however, they did not come with the plastic seal that goes inside the seam.

the only factory car without the seam that i have seen in person is 914.114, which is a '68 prototype ...
Andy

Except for when they're cloth inserts like this.

The door panels aren't smooth either.

don't mix up the surface of the door panels with the structure (and material) of the seat inlays - that's a completely different thing

I will provide more info about that tomorrow

now I'm in a hurry ... EURO CHAMPIONSHIP Soccer ... in Austria ... AUSTRIA vs. Poland ...

ciao guys

#11 is w/o the seam.

MY'70 seat inlays (only in colour of trim)
- leatherette basket weave - or geniune leather basket weave at additional cost
- corduroy
- dog tooth check fabric

MY'71 seat inlays (only in colour of trim)
- leatherette perforated
- corduroy fabric

MY'72 seat inlays (only in colour of trim)
- leatherette basket weave
- corduroy fabric

MY'73 seat inlays (only in colour of trim)
- leatherette basket weave
- corduroy fabric

MY'74 seat inlays (only in colour of trim)
- leatherette basket weave
- corduroy fabric

MY'75 seat inlays (only in colour of trim)
- leatherette basket weave
- corduroy fabric
- only with appearance group: 9 different tartan styles, but only available with specific exterior colour combos

from my best knowledge the same for MY'76 - but no proof from my side ...

Gustl

IM SO CONFUSED

got a picture of that?
Andy

Yes Sir but for some reason he doesn't want them posted.

Need to respect that request until I get the go ahead.

So which year would these be? I believe them to be original because I've come across at least two /6 cars with seats like these in it. Maybe they've been recovered though? They don't seem to match the description of any of the 70-72 cars you provided.

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this looks like the MY'71 "leatherette perforated" - I just checked it with the 1971 Colour Chart

order code 11 (standard equipment for the MY'1971 914 & 914/6)

all other years had the basket weave which looks completely different

Gustl

I seemed to start quite a discussion when I mentioned the seam. I was first told of it by Jon Lowe, who was the PCA tech advisor at that time. I seem to remember that his car had a finished seam from the factory. He has moved onto other interests, but someone may still be in contact with him.

Ok, making sense to me now Gustl, you're a patient man.

Rats, I wish I could remember a source. I thought that some very early cars did not have a seam between the fender and cowl at all? Ah, there we go. Brett Johnson's "Restorer's Guide", which says that "...In very early cars, these seals were omitted." (p. 31, 2nd edition of the Guide.)

However, a photo on p.32 shows no seam at all, and has the caption "Metal-finished cowl seam on an early 914-6".

Thus not helping the confusion in any way whatsoever...

Rats.

--DD

actually, i think it helps the confusion quite a lot ...

Andy

I do my best to contribute desired infos





unfortunately this thread seems to have some bad carma

Agree... just spent a lot of time with the mop and bucket. If it goes astray again Reid's dog gets it!

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Good think I don't believe in carma or Karma

So how many 914-6GTs were made and what was the years/ options on those. How about the 916s. They are sixes too right

==> Gustl's Porsche 916 info page

Gustl

Thanks Wolfgang

Any info on the Engines that came in them?

[woof]

Nicely done Eric, thanks.

Jon, I'm thinking it would be nice to stick to the "standard" Sixes for the purposes of this thread...at least, that's what I was after when I started it. As we've seen this information can be confusing enough as it is!

One thing I've always been curious about was the use of gold emblems ("PORSCHE", "914-6") vs. the more standard silver finish. Was this a "depends on the car's color" thing, or was there more to it than that?

My carrma ran oer your dogma

T.C.

Cool. Sorry if I got it off track for you.

rear panel:
all USA 914-6 cars had gold anodized aluminium scripts => 914-6
all ROW 914-6 cars had gold anodized aluminium scripts => 914-6-VW-PORSCHE

engine lid:
all USA 914-6 cars had gold anodized aluminium scripts => PORSCHE
all ROW 914-6 cars had no scripts

at later MY cars (914-4) the colour and material was different

Gustl

I really want one of those 914-6-VW-PORSCHE badges

Auto Atlanta has them in stock I think

Really? I looked everywhere but there. I may need to breakdown and order one from them.

Jon, Page 118 of their catalog. Item G914 559 112 10 $145. PM smg914, 1 of my best friends here in Tampa & in the 914 community, known him too long . He's retired, going bald, is an agent for AA and needs the commission. He will be at my house tomorrow. If you don't want to order directly from AA, I can get him to get me one and we can trade something.

T.C.

Sounds good to me T.C. Let me know.

The important difference is that the cowl and fenders were changed after 4702900444/9140430052 my car (914.043.0012) had the black bead in it but this was most likely done by the PO, 914.043.0011 is leaded.

I have attached 2 photo the red one is 914.043.0012. note the contour of the fender edge and the width between the a-pillar and the seam.

here is #41 marked up

Here is 914.043.0035 it had a filled seam

Is that bahia red? Original color?

I came up with a few more:

1. Dash vents were introduced in 72 which meant:
2. The glove box got narrower
3. The dash top had a narrower opening for the (now narrower) glove box

Also the rear view mirror (interior) is tiny in the 70 cars and may have been used in early 71 cars but I haven't been able to confirm that...

Reid

Got dimensions for "tiny" and not tiny? Maybe a side-by-side pic?

Thx,

Skip

The color is Guards Red, silver was the original color.

Actually yeah, I can do dimensions and a side-by-side here in the next couple weeks. I'll post back here when I can.

What I'd like to do for this thread is do a side-by-side (or at least picture-by-picture) example for all of the differences discussed.

Thanks to Rusty for moving this topic to the originality forum! Pat pointed out early-on that it should have been started here in the first place, and I ended up agreeing. My bad.

Hopefully we can continue to add to it!

Reid

Reid,
I totally missed your ensemble of differences you've now listed on the front end of this thread since it got moved here from the garage. Not sure if anybody else saw this or not. A few items I'd like to address;
I have two '71 parts cars. Both have the small mirrors.
The early seat belts were installed in most '72's until about June of that year. See Mel Rekling's '72 six interior pictures.
The broad statement of the main wiring harness being the same as the /4 needs a lot of clarification. I would say that it could be the same as a ROW /4 from the dash forward, but from the dash back to the engine is quite different because of the engines. Again, as has been stated before, the '72 /6 is a ROW car and wasn't officially imported.
And......don't forget the foot rest in the '70 & '71 cars. The carpets are also different in a '72 with a foam block on the front bulkhead replacing the foot rest.
Really, the bottom line here is that the basic body and trim is a /4, the basic mechanicals are /6. (Even then I don't like that broad statement) The '72 six is unique to itself and very rare in this country.
Anyway, keep working on this thread. I'm sure more can be added from others.

Don

Good point Don. I've updated the topic's title, hopefully it'll help.


My '71 does too, good catch.


Really? How does that work with an adjustable seat? Or were the seats not adjustable for the whole MY 72?


I've updated the wording on this one to try to be more specific. Let me know if you think I've still not captured it correctly.


Added!



That's my hope as well. Thanks for your contributions Don.

Reid

Mel has confirmed that the seatbelts in his '72 are non-retractable, so it looks like they were for all the sixes.

thanks Mel!

Here's a shot, sorry it came out so bad.