Since quite a few people were interested in crank fire and aftermarket FI system I finally finished up my crank position sensor setup. So if you want to run distributor-less ignition or modern FI, this setup is the ONLY setup built specifically to bolt onto a Type 4.

It's a complete bolt on upgrade, which means no drilling or modifying any parts to make this work. Only the cooling fan needs to be removed to complete the installation.

This setup is great for modern FI system, which need a 'trigger signal'. Fuel only setups usually get their signal from the coil firing, but that signal is DIRTY and unreliable. This crank fire setup is smooth and clean. You can't beat it.

There is no other setup built specifically for our motors. Quick easy installation with no headaches.

Complete package price is $175 and includes the trigger wheel, the sensor w/ connector (pigtail or uncrimped), and the mounting bracket. You won't need to go searching for anything else.

I want one of these!
What about a harness/connector? Is Jeff making those?

Excellent work- McMark! I will get one of these next month too!

Very nice, but a question comes to mind:

How do you deal with the added thickness? ... will one need to shave [whatever the thickness of the 'trigger wheel' is] off the back of the fan mount to keep the belt aligned with the alternator pulley?

The trigger wheel is machined to be the correct thickness. You just replace the big washer with the trigger wheel. I got mine in the mail and it is beautiful. I can't wait to get it hooked up and running.

I am soldering on wires and filling the connector with epoxy. But I'm still searching for the appropriate connector.

Yup, there is no added thickness. This is a 100% bolt on application. It can be done in about 5 minutes (with the motor out, but completely assembled) and requires absolutely no modification of anything.

So the sensor replaces the trigger points in the distributor?

This sensor is a key component of installing aftermarket fuel injection and/or some aftermarket ignition setups. What I'm offering here takes the guess work out of building these parts. But for a stock engine, these parts are useless. This setup essentially does nothing by itself, but as part of a bigger picture, they are very valuable.

If you've heard the term "crank fire" this product is the central component of that setup.

McMark;

Any likelyhood you will progress this further into a full package/solution?

Just curious, great product. Thanks-

I'm trying to motivate my genius EE into developing the ignition circuitry. The fuel injection setup I've been working on is complete as a fuel only solution. I'm working now on a coil on plug solution that will allow for fuel & ignition in one package.

I was curious as to 'how' and 'where' ignition timing adjustments were to be made ... I see what you're doing now. Thanks for splaining.

Does the placement of the Pickup preclude the use of "full flow" plumbing?

I think it might interfere with the return line. I'll check tomorrow and if it does I'll have to redesign the bracket, which isn't too big of a deal.

Perhaps if it was moved to the case pinch bolt just below the oil fill tower?

Is your trigger system still avail.?

Thanks
Joe
Southern California

Yes it is.

Since this WOULD be the perfect solution for me, if it works with SDS EFI I am wondering what SDS is using? Surely, they have not reinvented the wheel. Are they using some kind of GM electronics that can be adapted to your wheel and plugged in to their harness? Whoops! Answered my own question. GM LSX 24 Tooth. Seems to me you are redesigning to many more teeth than that. 48:1?

Invent more stuff! I want a billet aluminum YoYo with Porsche emblems on the side or 914!

Looks like SDS is 'working on' toothed wheel setups. I've emailed them about what the latest is.

dont their systems currently work on magnetic triggers? requiring proper positioning of magnets on crank pulley or what not?

Yup, SDS uses a hall effect sensor, which relies on magnets. Depending on the machining costs of my V2 trigger setup, building a Hall Effect setup MIGHT be possible. We shall see....

Hi McMark,

What is the progress on the SDS magnet wheel/disk, and for your current design what EFI system would you recomend on a 2056 set up stock or mild cam?

Thanks,
Dragan

My system only works with MegaSquirt for sure. It's the only one I've tested it with. And SDS/Magnet wheel is a completely different animal, and I haven't had time to research the components.

So, if you have used the megasquirt with this, you would have all the ignition parameters as well ? Could these be provided? I'm getting a little closer to needing one, but I would not want wires soldered and filled. I can get the connector from my neighbor or DIY auto.

Thanks McMark,

Do you offer a complet kit (HW, MegaSquirt EFI, cable and misc.) and if yes for how much. If not, can you recommend a MegaSquirt configuration that will work with your kit on a 914 1976 with a stock 2.0 D-jet engine?

Thanks,
Dragan

I have a complete fuel injection system that is almost ready for sale. I need to finish up the ignition portion. If you're interested in the fuel only setup, send me a PM and I'll get you the details. It's not cheap though.

If you know of where to acquire uncrimped connectors, let me know. I'd love to abandon the current solution. I can help get your ignition setup, but there will always always always need to be tuning done specific to each engine.

Check here http://www.whiteproducts.com/metri-pack.shtml
Not sure what one will work, but they might.

You can get Delphi WeatherPak connectors from Waytech. The only catch is that they typically have a minimum purchase of 5-10 for each component, but their prices undercut everyone else I have seen.

This connector is not any of the (seems like hundreds) of WeatherPak connectors I've looked into. The pins are offset towards the bottom, the pins are flat not round, there is an alignment guide on both sides, and a clip on the top.

What is the sensor off of, I do gm injection conversions and have dealt with about all sensor connectors there is. I would be happy to try and find it for you.

x2 on the question about what the sensor is off of...there has to be a pigtail or that sensor...

also, since the trigger wheel is"keyed" to fit on the crank only one way, when the crank is at TDC, where is the missing tooth located in regards to where the sensor is mounted?

thanks

Here is a little blurb on that

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm

Yes, so i'm wondering if the the sensor position is 90 off from the missing tooth when at TDC or will I have to compensate through MS.
I'm running MS and EDIS on my turbo scirocco and when I mounted my sensor, I did it 90 degrees off from the missing tooth, that way I wouldn't have to compensate for the difference through Megatune (or now Tunerstudio)

The adjustment in MegaTune is super easy and I can help with that, but if you absolutely need the missing tooth in a certain place, I can accommodate that as well.

Rich, I've looked at relocating the sensor for full flow setups and it's not going to be as easy as I'd hoped. I'm still working on it though.

for ignition only (using carbs) - what is needed?

i assume ford coil pack and edis module - is a tps needed as yarin uses?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/infinitelydig...57594124768996/

http://www.boostengineering.net/PhotoGalle...DISMJLJKITblack

jim

Yes SDS uses magnets, Hall effect same as a Compufire, Ignitor, etc. doesn't work on missing tooth VR type
Their magnet setup is easy to install on most engines, type 4 being one of the hardest to mod because of the fan assembly.

They only offer a 24 tooth on one of the V8 systems.

Which means my sensor works great for this.

Relying on Jake's experience with the Mechanical Advance ONLY Mallorys, I would say that you probably won't need any load sensing. Just approximate the Mallory curve into the MegaJ software and it should act like you've got a Mallory installed.

If you want to use load sensing, I would opt for vacuum based sensing. The TPS is more work to install and is a rather indirect way to approximate load.

for megasquirt II per - http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm
"The VR sensor and 36-1 crank trigger wheel must be set in the correct relationship to each other. With the engine at TDC for cylinder #1, this relationship is: EDIS-4: missing tooth is exactly nine teeth (90°) ahead of the VR sensor."

http://www.autosportlabs.net/MJLJ_V4_vehic...tallation_guide

http://www.autosportlabs.net/Ford_EDIS_technical_information

another reference link - http://www.dainst.com/info/edis/edis.html

jim

27june2011 - just found these connectors??
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productde...spx?SKU=5120217
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productde...spx?SKU=5120788
http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Pr...pen_barrel.html
or these from summit racing
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RFW-BM8/?rtype=10
bm8 or bm100
fm8 or fm100

i may be needing one of these pretty soon. are they still available? do you know what the sensor is off of? There has to be a pigtail that will fit it.

They are still available. I'm having more wheels machined right now, so they're a couple weeks out. But they are still available.

The sensor is from a Subaru. I would LOVE to find a connector for it, but haven't been able to so far. If you can find one, let me know.

Let me know when the next one is available. I'm ready to paypal. I'll also look for a pigtail. have a p/n on that sensor by any chance?
thanks,
arvin

Mark any more work on that full-flow config?

Rob needs one now too, and his motor is here at the shop. So a solution is imminent.

McMark, take a look at these suppliers. Might help out.
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?K...tors+automotive

Thanks for the tip. That's gonna take me while to sift through.

I'll help you. I have a vested interest.

Any Update?

I was unable to use Mark's trigger wheel as it is incompatible with SDS at this point in time. There may be a solution out there but for the sake of expediency, I went with a Hall Sensor set up from SDS. Oh, and I am the Rob of which he speaks...