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| JawjaPorsche |
 Oct 29 2011, 07:38 AM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 3,463 Joined: 23-July 11 From: Clayton, Georgia Member No.: 13,351 Region Association: South East States  |
I am currently using Brad Penn oil in my 73 Teener based on the recommendations from Teener owners.
While it doesn't affect me, I was reading the small print and it said: "Contains high zinc and phosphorous additive concentrations which can be detrimental to cars with catalytic converters." Does this mean if you running a late model Teener with stock setup, you shouldn't use Brad Penn oil? |
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| carr914 |
Oct 29 2011, 07:42 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 124,877 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States  |
73' 914s were pre-Catalytic Converters - You are Safe
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| JawjaPorsche |
Oct 29 2011, 07:56 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,463 Joined: 23-July 11 From: Clayton, Georgia Member No.: 13,351 Region Association: South East States |
My bad! I thought since the later model Teeners had smog pumps that they also had catalytic converters. I learned something! Who said you can't teach an old dawg new tricks?!
QUOTE(carr914 @ Oct 29 2011, 09:42 AM)  914s were pre-Catalytic Converters - You are Safe |
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| VaccaRabite |
Oct 29 2011, 08:05 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,728 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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75 and 76 914s had cats. Most of them have just been removed over the years or had the exhaust backdated.
Even so, you need to run the higher zinc content oil. Zach |
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| Dave_Darling |
Oct 29 2011, 09:45 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,161 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Some of the 75-76 914s had cats. Some had smog pumps. Some had EGR. Some had none of the above. There are specific combinations of engine type (1.8 or 2.0) and market (non-US, 49-state, California, and a few other states) that had specific combinations of gear, but I never remember which had what.
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| URY914 |
Oct 29 2011, 10:00 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 126,350 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 29 2011, 08:45 AM) Some of the 75-76 914s had cats. Some had smog pumps. Some had EGR. Some had none of the above. There are specific combinations of engine type (1.8 or 2.0) and market (non-US, 49-state, California, and a few other states) that had specific combinations of gear, but I never remember which had what. --DD Dave you better get this remembered before the next PCA tech quiz. Someone may see this and try to trip you up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| burton73 |
Oct 29 2011, 06:39 PM
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Senior member, and old dude Group: Members Posts: 3,822 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California
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I am running it on my 86 Carrera. Does that mean it will kill my cat?
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| burton73 |
Oct 29 2011, 06:42 PM
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Senior member, and old dude Group: Members Posts: 3,822 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(burton73 @ Oct 29 2011, 05:39 PM) I am running it on my 86 Carrera. Does that mean it will kill my cat? Bob I run it on my 76 914 as well. I do not put a lot of miles of the cars but I would rather the Engines are protected than the cats. Bob |
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| underthetire |
Oct 29 2011, 06:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(burton73 @ Oct 29 2011, 05:42 PM) QUOTE(burton73 @ Oct 29 2011, 05:39 PM) I am running it on my 86 Carrera. Does that mean it will kill my cat? Bob I run it on my 76 914 as well. I do not put a lot of miles of the cars but I would rather the Engines are protected than the cats. Bob Wait till you have to change one now. It must be made specifically for the vehicle. No more generic weld ins. Must also be installed by an approved shop. Not that they check I'm sure, but if they do it can get expensive. |
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| PancakePorsche |
Oct 30 2011, 02:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 29-July 11 From: Southern California Member No.: 13,373 Region Association: None |
If you have 76 in California and need a new cat to pass smog, you must buy the California only cat which is around $400 compared to the 49 state unit $175. Good news is it is a bolt-in unit so put it back in a day before test, that is if you accidentally left your test pipe in if you know what I mean.
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| JawjaPorsche |
Oct 30 2011, 09:57 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,463 Joined: 23-July 11 From: Clayton, Georgia Member No.: 13,351 Region Association: South East States |
We are lucky were we live. We don't have emission inspections or requirements. A lot of people take off their cats on their older cars when they move here.
QUOTE(PancakePorsche @ Oct 30 2011, 04:15 AM) If you have 76 in California and need a new cat to pass smog, you must buy the California only cat which is around $400 compared to the 49 state unit $175. Good news is it is a bolt-in unit so put it back in a day before test, that is if you accidentally left your test pipe in if you know what I mean. |
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| maf914 |
Oct 31 2011, 12:06 PM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None
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As Dave said, not all 76 cars had cats. My 76, which was originally purchased in North Carolina, did not have a cat.
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| JeffBowlsby |
Oct 31 2011, 01:29 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper Group: Members Posts: 8,907 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Only the 1975-76 CA-market (originally sold in CA) 914s had cats.
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Emissions.htm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| smj |
Oct 31 2011, 03:42 PM
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"Dude, Steve from Berkeley." Group: Members Posts: 591 Joined: 28-August 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 4,691 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(JawjaPorsche @ Oct 29 2011, 05:38 AM) I am currently using Brad Penn oil in my 73 Teener based on the recommendations from Teener owners. While it doesn't affect me, I was reading the small print and it said: "Contains high zinc and phosphorous additive concentrations which can be detrimental to cars with catalytic converters." For anybody wondering why Brad Penn or other oils are specifically recommended for their teener, it's because these additives are essential to the proper lubrication of air-cooled engines and other designs. Over the years these additives have been reduced or removed in order to provide lower emissions from newer engine designs, incompatibilities with newer sensor types, and as referenced above things like catalytic converters. I'm just repeating what I've read: Extensive testing report from LN Engineering One of many threads on 914World |
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| PancakePorsche |
Nov 1 2011, 12:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 29-July 11 From: Southern California Member No.: 13,373 Region Association: None |
Good info Jeff, thanks for posting it. Lucky me, I have a 76 in California.
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