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GT engine lid and rain trays, Do you just go without? |
Rbcm2005 |
Aug 28 2012, 12:03 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 14-January 12 From: Nor. Cal. Member No.: 14,003 Region Association: Northern California |
So we are interested in installing a GT engine lid on our project because we like the look and it gets HOT where we are so thinking that the extra ventilation would help. However... it also rains here and we are guessing that Porsche didn't go with rain trays just for the fun of it.
What is everyone doing with regard to their rain trays when they install these GT lids? CHEERS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) |
monkeyboy |
Aug 28 2012, 12:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 808 Joined: 8-June 08 From: Los Angeles, Ca Member No.: 9,147 Region Association: None |
They don't drive their cars in the rain...
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Eric_Shea |
Aug 28 2012, 12:15 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
No rain tray.
Are you using a 911 motor? If so, the stock air cleaner is good for keeping rain out. There are Watersheds as well. If not, and you have carbs, you'll want to use some type of rainshed cover (I think Appearance & Performance use to fab these out of fiberglass?). The stock FI air filter should work well enough but watch for heavy rain and any instance. That or... don't drive it in the rain. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net-1110-1346177750.1.jpg) |
mrbubblehead |
Aug 28 2012, 12:22 PM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
i have a gt lid. carbs and rain hats. honestly, when your moving the engine doesnt get wet. just when your stopped does it get wet. i also cover mine with the 914 umbrella when i park it. rain or shine.
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ConeDodger |
Aug 28 2012, 01:50 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,604 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
No driving in the rain. But I did use rain hats when I had carbs. Now I have aftermarket fuel injection and I have four individual air cleaners. So, I don't drive it in the rain... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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ottox914 |
Aug 28 2012, 02:27 PM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
GT lid, no rain tray, big honk'n intercooler between 2 ITB'S. IAT'S go up by 10-15 degrees from the lid being on vs being off and totally open. I wouldn't have thought it would make that much difference, but it does.
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VaccaRabite |
Aug 28 2012, 03:08 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,456 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
No raintray on mine. Don't drive in the rain if I can avoid it.
That said I am considering going back to stock so I can drive the car more often. Zach |
RON S. |
Aug 28 2012, 04:42 PM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
They don't drive their cars in the rain... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Definitely avoid the rain if at all possible... |
stuttgart46 |
Aug 29 2012, 08:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Santa Monica, CA Member No.: 8,474 Region Association: None |
I didn't drive mine in the rain but I got stuck at Sebring one time in a deluge. I grabbed a plastic garbage bag and threw it over the engine while it was parked (and had cooled down). It worked just fine.
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JmuRiz |
Aug 29 2012, 09:01 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,433 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
GT lid, no rain tray, big honk'n intercooler between 2 ITB'S. IAT'S go up by 10-15 degrees from the lid being on vs being off and totally open. I wouldn't have thought it would make that much difference, but it does. Otto, if it's OK to put a turbo intercooler there under the GT-style lid...would it be OK to put an external oil-cooler under there to help keep a 2.7/6 cooler...along with the standard on-engine cooler. On-topic: I'll just try not to drive mine in the rain...and will probably use a stock-ish airbox on my conversion if I decide to go carbs. |
SLITS |
Aug 29 2012, 09:51 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
No rain tray ... /6 conversion ... driven in rain and snow when it occured ... no problems
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Scott S |
Aug 29 2012, 10:25 AM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
A few years ago we had a major rain storm hit half way through our local PCA concours. It came down in buckets. I got nervous about my GT grill/water. I ran over to where they were serving food and grabbed about 6' of saran wrap and wrapped the thing up. worked like a champ to get me home.
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kfish914 |
Aug 29 2012, 11:34 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 7-May 08 From: Osceola, Indiana Member No.: 9,026 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I am working on a 2.7 conversion and I plan on making my own out of fiberglass partly molded off original tray fo fit around stock FI
The idea will be to use magnets to hold it in place and store it in the rear trunk when it is not needed |
Elliot Cannon |
Aug 29 2012, 11:49 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
i have a gt lid. carbs and rain hats. honestly, when your moving the engine doesnt get wet. just when your stopped does it get wet. i also cover mine with the 914 umbrella when i park it. rain or shine. I have a GT lid, carbs and unfortunately no rain hats. I drove home from Rte. 66 in a driving rain storm and the engine most certainly got wet regardless of how fast I was going. I avoid driving in the rain because of that and also because people in California (at least the southern part) do not know how to drive in inclement weather. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
MoveQik |
Aug 29 2012, 11:53 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
No rain tray ... /6 conversion ... driven in rain and snow when it occured ... no problems Thank you Slits. Let's hope it doesn't rain at RRC. Half these Nancies won't go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 29 2012, 09:50 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Nice trailer sister...
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MikeSpraggi |
Aug 29 2012, 09:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 781 Joined: 7-February 05 From: Silver Spring, Md Member No.: 3,570 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
No rain tray. I have and will drive it on the track in a light rain.
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pete000 |
Aug 29 2012, 11:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
My 70 914-6 No rain tray.
My 74 914-4 Rain tray removed. The three days a year it rains here in southern California I don't drive the 914s... The more air to the engine the better ! |
MoveQik |
Aug 30 2012, 06:53 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Nice trailer sister... That was so 2010. I flat tow now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) |
ottox914 |
Aug 30 2012, 06:56 AM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
GT lid, no rain tray, big honk'n intercooler between 2 ITB'S. IAT'S go up by 10-15 degrees from the lid being on vs being off and totally open. I wouldn't have thought it would make that much difference, but it does. Otto, if it's OK to put a turbo intercooler there under the GT-style lid...would it be OK to put an external oil-cooler under there to help keep a 2.7/6 cooler...along with the standard on-engine cooler. On-topic: I'll just try not to drive mine in the rain...and will probably use a stock-ish airbox on my conversion if I decide to go carbs. I'm no expert on a 6 cyl install, but I would think no on the engine bay oil cooler. Here's why. I know of a guy who did PCA track days in a bone stock 2.0 914. He had engine bay oil coolers (2) mounted to the far left and far right under a open single grill lid, no rain tray. And he cooked several motors before going to a front mount. This could be an extreme example, but at speed he was discharging enough heat from the coolers, the engine fan took it in and blew it over the cyls, causing more heat in the oil, more heat into the engine compartment, and the circle never ends. There must be a reason there is tin to separate the upper (cooling) and lower (hot exhaust) sections of our motors, 4 or 6 cyl. I think the intercooler works for me because the incoming air from the turbo is not nearly as hot as the oil, so not as much heat added to the system. The open grill GT lid, and the fact that the car is used for autocross, (shorter runs) help too. Len's heads that flow like CRAZY, and a much better than stock cam help keep temps down and stable. I have noticed that even with the open GT lid, my intake air temps run 10-15 degrees higher with the lid in place VS running with no lid at all. So even with all that mesh, less cooling air is getting in, and less hot air is getting out. I haven't tried to add some ducting from the IC to the lid, to better direct air flow. I may have to try that some day. The IC does have a plenum and sucker fan on the back of it, to pull as much air thru it as possible. Not sure if you would be considering this for your oil cooler set up or not. Without the plenum and fan, I don't think there would be nearly as much flow thru the cooler. I've been thinking of a removable, tall, 1980's F1 style scoop that I can mount on the targa bar when I'm at an autoX to provide some ram air intake for the intercooler. It'd look a little silly on a street car, but would be kinda funny on sundays... Could be a fun winter project. |
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