I would like your input on motor upgrades, 6 cyl vs hot 4 cyl |
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I would like your input on motor upgrades, 6 cyl vs hot 4 cyl |
Clemson |
Apr 30 2014, 05:17 PM
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1974 914 1.8 1987 911 cab 2002 Audi S6 avant Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: 27-April 14 From: Banner Elk, NC Member No.: 17,288 Region Association: South East States |
I just purchased a 1974 1.8. I would like the upgrade to motor.
So, 6 cyl conversion or a 2200+cc motor from Raby or Fat Performance? Obviously the 6 would be more costly but is it worth it? Raby and Fat Performance both seem to build a quality motor - any thoughts of which would be preferred or is there another source I need to consider? Thanks for your input. |
'73-914kid |
Apr 30 2014, 05:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California |
If I had to go through the process again of building a car, I would do what I did, all over again. -6 conversion is the way to go if you can afford it. Just makes the car a whole lot more driveable IMO, and the sound is glorious...
BTW, this is a huge can of worms topic... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) |
JamesM |
Apr 30 2014, 05:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,915 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Let me answer your question with a question....
How much money do you want to spend? Also, what are you looking to use the car for? Do you plan on selling it ever or keeping it until you die? Obviously i think in most cases if you have the money, most people would say a 6. Personally for what i do, and the money I want to spend, I prefer a warmed over medium sized 4. 6s are generally more appealing to buyers if you plan on re-selling, but i think this may be slowly changing (depends on the buyer). 6s add more weight 6s could be way more power then you need depending on the build You can easily dump 30k plus on a proper 6 conversion 6 will probably get you better longevity out of the motor for the same power output 2056-2270 4 will probably put you somewhere between 5-20k for the upgrade depending on how you do it. 120-170hp which i think is pretty well suited to the car. Will be much closer to bolt in compared to a lot of if not all 6s. Upgraded 4s can be overlooked as a selling point so you may have a harder time making your money back. Those are the facts, so really it is up to what you are looking for. |
76-914 |
Apr 30 2014, 05:57 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,507 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
How deep are your pockets? Are you OK with getting upside down on a 914. DD or weekend fun. If you beef up a 4 to compete w/ a small 6 your going to drop 4-7K but you can keep your current suspension. If you go six plan on $$$ for suspension, brakes and cooling. However and as mentioned above you do have a bullet proof 6 that makes a very sexy noise. If you do a water cooled (Suby or other) conversion your a masochist. IMHO, the smart $$$ is spent on another's conversion effort. Shop around. I've seen several 6 cyl Porsche conversions go for < 7K right here. You'll spend that much on a decent 6 cyl/tranny alone. Not to mention oil tank, hard lines, etc, etc.
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mepstein |
Apr 30 2014, 06:40 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I thought I wanted a built 4 until I took a ride in a 3.2 -6. Done deal.
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Chris Pincetich |
Apr 30 2014, 06:47 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
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Elliot Cannon |
Apr 30 2014, 07:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
FAT Performance built my 2.2 type IV about 9 years ago and I have always liked the way it ran. I brought them a 2 liter case, crank and not much else so it cost about the same as a used 3.2 with motronic fuel injection when they were done. It would have been an added expense to modify the car for the 3.2 but might have been worth it. My advice would be to install a six if you can afford it. A 3.2 with Motronic FI is a great way to go. I will be converting mine to a six real soon. Pretty soon. Some time in the future. Maybe. One of these days. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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boxsterfan |
Apr 30 2014, 08:24 PM
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914's are kewl Group: Members Posts: 1,776 Joined: 6-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 791 Region Association: Northern California |
All depends on how much money you wanna spend.
I'm gonna with a 2270 4-cyl, but I want to keep the narrow body. If you go with a 6-cylinder, you probably end up spending on flares too (in addition to the suspension, brakes and cooling mentioned above). |
r_towle |
Apr 30 2014, 08:29 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,585 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
FAT Performance built my 2.2 type IV about 9 years ago and I have always liked the way it ran. I brought them a 2 liter case, crank and not much else so it cost about the same as a used 3.2 with motronic fuel injection when they were done. It would have been an added expense to modify the car for the 3.2 but might have been worth it. My advice would be to install a six if you can afford it. A 3.2 with Motronic FI is a great way to go. I will be converting mine to a six real soon. Pretty soon. Some time in the future. Maybe. One of these days. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) To the Original poster. Make a reasonable offer to Elliott for his motor. he will sell it. he needs to put a six in his car...it's just gonna happen. |
thelogo |
Apr 30 2014, 10:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
Don't quote me on this but I would be interested in hearing from someone with more
Knowledge on this But i think the hottest motor setup is the pauter or potter , yellow karmin via Any body see it I will try to post link but it Is a monster 4 and expensive - shout out to the cheap sob I like the philsophy of performance thru lightweight , and that has me fixated on 4 cyclindrr light weight , like aviation style Focus on weight type car But under the hood that big 6 fan cranking away ,nothing cooler imho And correct me if wrong but aren't -6 motors , when properly maintain ed$$$$$$$$ - shout out to the cheap sob Are supposed to be one of the most reliable powerplants ever made . And that is For me a major consideration to not be taken lightly if confirmed |
SLITS |
Apr 30 2014, 10:40 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
I had a 2.4L /6 and now have a 2.7L /6. I don't own a /4 anymore. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Larmo63 |
Apr 30 2014, 10:50 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
Don't post while drunk........
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thelogo |
Apr 30 2014, 10:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
http://pauter.com/parts/super-pro/
Although forbadden for my self and the cheacheap sob Sure is a awesome looking engine but 20 k a bit steep Then again last guy said he had two -6 s so that adds up to But is the pauter motor viable for a 914 or simple a vw drag bug 1-8 mile gasserr ??? Give it to me straight people (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
Socalandy |
Apr 30 2014, 11:00 PM
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Its got to be Yellow!!! Group: Members Posts: 2,432 Joined: 29-August 09 From: Orange Member No.: 10,742 Region Association: Southern California |
I've had a few stock 1.7's , restored my 72 and built a big -4 and it was a lot of fun. these cars are fun to drive with any power plant. Now with my -6 and h the 3.0 , I wouldn't have it any other way. one ride in a -6 and your hooked!!! I think the added weight of the six give's the car a more planted feel and its plenty fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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thelogo |
Apr 30 2014, 11:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
Don't post while drunk........ " my father didn't drink , smoke ,gamble or chase women an I wasn't going to either " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) The great Ty Cobb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
Elliot Cannon |
Apr 30 2014, 11:17 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
FAT Performance built my 2.2 type IV about 9 years ago and I have always liked the way it ran. I brought them a 2 liter case, crank and not much else so it cost about the same as a used 3.2 with motronic fuel injection when they were done. It would have been an added expense to modify the car for the 3.2 but might have been worth it. My advice would be to install a six if you can afford it. A 3.2 with Motronic FI is a great way to go. I will be converting mine to a six real soon. Pretty soon. Some time in the future. Maybe. One of these days. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) To the Original poster. Make a reasonable offer to Elliott for his motor. he will sell it. he needs to put a six in his car...it's just gonna happen. Listen to rtowel. He's right. My car will have a six. Some day real soon. Maybe this year. Or the next, it depends. |
Bleyseng |
May 1 2014, 05:39 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,035 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Cheapest fun motor is the 2056 with a Raby cam which is about 120hp. Using the Ljet it would be a fun fairly fast 914 for $4000-6000. Compared to a 76hp 1.8L is nearly double the hp.
Any more money and you should go with a six and it's $10000-20,000 depending. |
Clemson |
May 1 2014, 05:48 AM
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1974 914 1.8 1987 911 cab 2002 Audi S6 avant Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: 27-April 14 From: Banner Elk, NC Member No.: 17,288 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks for all of the great replys and suggestions. It appears that f I can afford it a 6 is the way to go. I do love the sound of a 6 with sport exhaust.
FYI the car I bought already has a very good suspension set up converted to 911 5 lug, konis. sway bars, big brakes, etc. |
JmuRiz |
May 1 2014, 07:09 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,433 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
2056 is the best bang for the buck...or you can keep your eyes out for a smoking deal on a 911 engine. I got a working 2.7 for core pricing (seller didn't need the engine as he was building a race car and since he didn't build the engine he couldn't vouch for it).
Even scoring deals on new/like-new parts I'm about $5500 in after selling off my /4 stuff. BUT it would be VERY easy to spend $20k |
MoveQik |
May 1 2014, 08:55 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I am biased because I now have a six(was originally a 1.8). I took one ride in a six and all questions were answered. I have *never* heard anyone with a six say, "I wish I would have went with a big 4.
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