 Froggy..., Est. $80,000 - $100,000 |
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| jagalyn |
 Feb 28 2019, 07:22 PM
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True Patina  Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Scandia, MN Member No.: 5,503 Region Association: None 
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 They keep going up... and new 'moth balled' cars are still being found. 17,000 miles Strange that the original owner took off the factory fuchs and replaced them with steel wheels. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25219/lot/236/ |
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| jagalyn |
Feb 28 2019, 07:28 PM
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True Patina Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Scandia, MN Member No.: 5,503 Region Association: None
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Another...
 13,000 miles... They saved it for the 'next guy'. Love the color... Delphi Metallic Green is a favorite. https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-f...14/2227002.html |
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| Tom_T |
Feb 28 2019, 07:33 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(jagalyn @ Feb 28 2019, 06:22 PM)  Strange that the original owner took off the factory fuchs and replaced they with steel wheels. jagalyn, Starting in the 74 MY, the Fuchs were an extra cost option or in the extra cost Performance/Sport Group of options (also at extra cost). So this one probably had neither of those to have the alloys, but you can't know unless they have the window sticker or COA (a correct one) showing the original equipment. Only the 73 MY had included the Appearance & Performance/Sport Groups of options in the base price, & then that changed around March of 1973, when they increased the price from around $5300 to $7500 with all included on the 2.0s. The 1.7 & 1.8 always had it as an extra cost for Alloys (Pedrini, Mahle &/or Fuchs 4-lugs). It's a crazy high price, & I'd certainly want verification & documentation that it's a true 17K miles car! PS - Although mine is not a low miles pristine 73 2.0 - maybe the price appreciation means that I won't be under water with my resto/repair - or maybe not as far under! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| jagalyn |
Feb 28 2019, 07:37 PM
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True Patina Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Scandia, MN Member No.: 5,503 Region Association: None
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Tom, Thanks for the info. It says in the description that the original owner took off the fuchs and replaced them... thought that was weird. |
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| Tom_T |
Feb 28 2019, 07:41 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(jagalyn @ Feb 28 2019, 06:37 PM) Tom, Thanks for the info. It says in the description that the original owner took off the fuchs and replaced them... though that was weird. It wouldn't be the first time that the auctioneer's description was wrong! It's more likely to have been sold with steelies, but only the window sticker &/or COA will tell for sure. If it is missing the original Fuchs wheels (or perhaps Mahles?), then it will be harder to reach their ambitious estimate, with it being incomplete & incorrect from the factory fitment - which is all important for the buyers of these garage queens. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| Tom_T |
Feb 28 2019, 07:56 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Okay, after reading their description again, I this is the same 914 which our own member tod914 reconditioned, & his topic on it is on here somewhere. He did the same refresh to a Bahia Red/Black 73 2.0 & a silver 74 2.0 - before Froggy.
Excellent work on all 3! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) I think that he's since moved from NJ to CO IIRC, & don't know if he's active on the forums now. My Dad used to work at Koppers in Monroeville PA (Bethel Park) during the 1950s-62, then we all moved to San Diego in `63. So I recall talking with him about where Froggy came from. As you can tell from my sig - I'm still a PGH guy! Anyone seriously considering bidding on Froggy should do their research on here, & contact him for the true story details. tod914 - http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=170 Froggy - http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...mp;viewid=13870 PS - Sorry, but I don't have the link to his actual topic, but maybe a VIN search on google or something will turn it up. It looks like Bonhams just lifted the description from Tod's description. I questioned the wheel swap with Tod, but he'll know if there was documentation, if an interested party emailed or PM'ed him on the car. Apparently he's gone to the Brit "dark side" with a TR7 "Wedgy"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| iankarr |
Feb 28 2019, 08:24 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,482 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region
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Wow. My car is froggy’s twin. With more miles. Can’t wait to see how this plays out...
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| jagalyn |
Feb 28 2019, 09:25 PM
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True Patina Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Scandia, MN Member No.: 5,503 Region Association: None
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There are quite a few exceptional 914's out there but they seem to be hitting the stratosphere with some of their pricing... I just think of how much money I would have in my pocket if I would have just held on to the ten 914's I've had over the years.
Glad to currently have a good original car... wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me three times shame on me. Fool me four times shame on me. Fool me five times shame on me. Fool me six times shame on me. Fool me seven times shame on me. Fool me eight times shame on me. Fool me nine times shame on me. Fool me ten times ... NOT going to happen. I've learned my lesson. |
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| mtndawg |
Mar 1 2019, 08:54 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Granite Bay, Ca Member No.: 9,985 Region Association: None
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With a bigger garage and bigger bank account you can keep them all.
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Mar 1 2019, 10:34 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,900 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
Like the Jackie Wilson song: "higher and higher". ! Don't sell your 914 if you have a good one you will regret it!
Matsuda black limited edition 2004 vw ultima edition red 76 11,000 mile missing motor trend 71 914 currently at the porsche museum white 10.000 mile 74 white limited edition purported to be one of the best  I am so happy that I never sold these cars when people made offers.  |
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| budk |
Mar 1 2019, 10:43 AM
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Yes! It's a Bumblebee! Group: Members Posts: 679 Joined: 24-July 10 From: Hickory, PA Member No.: 11,970 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(jagalyn @ Feb 28 2019, 08:22 PM) They keep going up... and new 'moth balled' cars are still being found. 17,000 miles Strange that the original owner took off the factory fuchs and replaced them with steel wheels. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25219/lot/236/ I’m pretty sure that this is the car that I did a PPI on back around 2011/2012. It was nice but not perfect. I know what it sold for then..... huge appreciation since then. |
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| Tom_T |
Mar 1 2019, 02:35 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Another thing to note about "Froggy" given the history which I & others have posted, is that the current seller is at least the 3rd owner - OO, tod914, whomever he sold it to next. And there may be another owner or more after that, since it's been several years since Tod sold it, & it could be a Flipper victim at this point.
Also note that it says "No Reserve" on the $80-100K estimate - so far from guaranteed to hit that ambitious mark! The unfortunate thing is that these high priced queens stop being driven & enjoyed, as do other nice examples, due to the high cost & need to preserve their condition as frozen in time, in order to maintain their lofty values. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| Tom_T |
Mar 1 2019, 03:40 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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FYI - More past topics info related to Froggy on here -
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...914+2.0+Ravenna http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...200353&st=0 http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...mp;viewid=13870 . Note that the VIN of the Bonhams Ravenna is definitely Tod's former 74 2L. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| jagalyn |
Mar 1 2019, 06:47 PM
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True Patina Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Scandia, MN Member No.: 5,503 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 1 2019, 12:35 PM) The unfortunate thing is that these high priced queens stop being driven & enjoyed, as do other nice examples, due to the high cost & need to preserve their condition as frozen in time, in order to maintain their lofty values. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// I agree. Back in the late 90's early 2000's... I used to have a 74 Delphi Metallic Green 2.0 with 18,350 miles on it. Bought it from Brad Mayuer. Paid $8750. Owned it for 5 years and never drove it. So I sold it to a friend. A few years later I decided that was a mistake and so I bought it back and never drove it. Paid $11,000. Owned it for 3 years. So I sold it to another friend. Decided that was another mistake and bought it back... and never drove it. Paid $12,500 Owned it for a few more years. Finally sold it to someone on the east coast and have not seen it since. Good thing, I'd probably buy it back. Probably worth $25-$40,000 now. The problem with the low mile cars is the low miles... you just don't want to drive them because it will decrease their value. The most fun I've had with 914's is when the mileage is not a factor in the condition of the car. That makes them usable and blast to drive.  |
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| Jett |
Mar 1 2019, 09:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,642 Joined: 27-July 14 From: Seattle Member No.: 17,686 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(jagalyn @ Mar 1 2019, 04:47 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 1 2019, 12:35 PM) The unfortunate thing is that these high priced queens stop being driven & enjoyed, as do other nice examples, due to the high cost & need to preserve their condition as frozen in time, in order to maintain their lofty values. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// I agree. Back in the late 90's early 2000's... I used to have a 74 Delphi Metallic Green 2.0 with 18,350 miles on it. Bought it from Brad Mayuer. Paid $8750. Owned it for 5 years and never drove it. So I sold it to a friend. A few years later I decided that was a mistake and so I bought it back and never drove it. Paid $11,000. Owned it for 3 years. So I sold it to another friend. Decided that was another mistake and bought it back... and never drove it. Paid $12,500 Owned it for a few more years. Finally sold it to someone on the east coast and have not seen it since. Good thing, I'd probably buy it back. Probably worth $25-$40,000 now. The problem with the low mile cars is the low miles... you just don't want to drive them because it will decrease their value. The most fun I've had with 914's is when the mileage is not a factor in the condition of the car. That makes them usable and blast to drive. Nice car and sorry for your loss! I hope to have my mistress until the end (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| RenoRoger |
Mar 2 2019, 03:29 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 95 Joined: 11-November 10 From: Reno, NV Member No.: 12,370 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(jagalyn @ Feb 28 2019, 05:22 PM) They keep going up... and new 'moth balled' cars are still being found. 17,000 miles Strange that the original owner took off the factory fuchs and replaced them with steel wheels. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25219/lot/236/ One downdraft carburetor and they call that original, unrestored and unmolested!!! |
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| poorsche914 |
Mar 2 2019, 11:46 AM
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T4 Supercharged Group: Members Posts: 3,091 Joined: 28-May 09 From: Smoky Mountains Member No.: 10,419 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(RenoRoger @ Mar 2 2019, 04:29 AM) One downdraft carburetor and they call that original, unrestored and unmolested!!! The features list is incorrect. The car has proper d-jet system as shown in pictures. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| Jaymann |
Mar 2 2019, 12:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 18-August 09 From: Drexel hill pa Member No.: 10,692 Region Association: None |
yeah I remember this car for sure,lots of time spent on the details,after it was bought.
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| KELTY360 |
Mar 2 2019, 12:50 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,037 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(jagalyn @ Mar 1 2019, 04:47 PM) The problem with the low mile cars is the low miles... you just don't want to drive them because it will decrease their value. "decrease their value" should read "decrease their monetary value." You correctly express the enjoyment of driving a 914. That enjoyment can also be expressed as value. So, if you're not driving it you are also decreasing it's value. I think this is what's meant as a value judgement. |
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| r_towle |
Mar 2 2019, 01:58 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,594 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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The speedo only goes to 100k
Every car I have seen has flipped over at least once. I am very skeptical of any to claim otherwise. |
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