1975 Door DOT/VIN Sticker - Was CA different? Options

[DaveB]

The DOT sticker I have on my door doesn't look like what I see on other 1975 914's. The PPS said my car was Equipped for California. This is what the current sticker looks like:



Was this done just for California?

Thanks,

DaveB

[drem914]

Is it possible just because it was printed with black background instead of silver, they switched the order on the different lines of print? My 01/75 sticker (in silver) has the exact same text and numbers, just rearranged. Maybe someone with knowledge of originality knows better on here.

[wonkipop]

one from my files. 75 1.8 from a cali car.
yours looks aged is all? under clear coat?

75MY made in 74 seemed to have vin sticker same as 74 MY, different text arrangement.



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and i put up a thread inquiring for historic info on 75 1.8s.
is your car a 1.8.
if so got any of this info on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=358211

[Shivers]

I put up a California tag, but wrong year .

[StarBear]

Here's my MY74 (early) sticker. Silver and with little scallop cuts. Has anyone else seen a sticker with these cuts? I'm the original owner so I know it hasn't been replaced (removed to paint the sill, hence the tears, then put back on).

[JeffBowlsby]

Here is my list of safety compliance labels for your comparison: https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PLM.htm

There were minor differences from year to year. Made in silver and black versions - silver for dark color cars, black for lighter color cars - contrasting for legibility. All had the anti-tamper circular perforations.

Excellent qualtity repros are available now, no need to preserve the originals.

[StarBear]

Here is my list of safety compliance labels for your comparison: https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PLM.htm

There were minor differences from year to year. Made in silver and black versions - silver for dark color cars, black for lighter color cars - contrasting for legibility. All had the anti-tamper circular perforations.

Excellent qualtity repros are available now, no need to preserve the originals.

@JeffBowlsby ; Do any of the repros have the anti-tamper circular perferations? Important to me as I'm keen on keeping the originality (even the lightly cracked dash and modestly faded carpet).

[JeffBowlsby]

Here is my list of safety compliance labels for your comparison: https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PLM.htm

There were minor differences from year to year. Made in silver and black versions - silver for dark color cars, black for lighter color cars - contrasting for legibility. All had the anti-tamper circular perforations.

Excellent qualtity repros are available now, no need to preserve the originals.

@JeffBowlsby ; Do any of the repros have the anti-tamper circular perferations? Important to me as I'm keen on keeping the originality (even the lightly cracked dash and modestly faded carpet).

See my PM to you.

[DaveB]

Here is my list of safety compliance labels for your comparison: https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PLM.htm

There were minor differences from year to year. Made in silver and black versions - silver for dark color cars, black for lighter color cars - contrasting for legibility. All had the anti-tamper circular perforations.

Excellent qualtity repros are available now, no need to preserve the originals.

Jeff thanks. I didn’t realize why there was a color difference. Is there anyone that makes a decent repo of this style? Most of what I see is for 74 or earlier styles. I like to replace mine since it is partially painted over.

In the USA, did the 1975 forward door stickers have a catalytic and no catalytic converter sticker too near the DOT sticker?

Thanks!

DaveB

[wonkipop]

Here is my list of safety compliance labels for your comparison: https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PLM.htm

There were minor differences from year to year. Made in silver and black versions - silver for dark color cars, black for lighter color cars - contrasting for legibility. All had the anti-tamper circular perforations.

Excellent qualtity repros are available now, no need to preserve the originals.

Jeff thanks. I didn’t realize why there was a color difference. Is there anyone that makes a decent repo of this style? Most of what I see is for 74 or earlier styles. I like to replace mine since it is partially painted over.

In the USA, did the 1975 forward door stickers have a catalytic and no catalytic converter sticker too near the DOT sticker?

Thanks!

DaveB

thats an interesting question about the cat sticker for 75.
i've collected some stuff trying to do a bit of research on 75 1.8 L jets.
come across some very original cars on BAT and auction ad documentation.
including the very original looking 1.8 that sotherby's sold a few years back.
and none of those calif 75 1.8s i came across had the cat sticker next to the vin sticker.
and their vin stickers and door jambs were in excellent condition.
also never come across any non-catalyst stickers on some 75 49 state cars that were in original and very good to excellent condition (unrestored) in ads.

but i have seen 76 MY cars with that sticker, both cat and not cat versions.

someone here would know more.
like @JeffBowlsby

[JeffBowlsby]

The CA 1.8L & 2.0L had cats but I have not seen the cat/non-cat label on the 75 cars, been looking for years. I am beginning to think the label was only a requirement for the 76 914s.

There are other labels for the 75 cars I have not found. :thinking:

[drem914]

Here is my 49 state, Chicago Ohare entry '75. Original and untouched.

[JeffBowlsby]

Cool, thanks. Can you post the emissions label from the engine bay drivers side wall above the relay board, or sometimes on the engine tin, and the three big white numbers on the engine tin?

[wonkipop]

Here is my 49 state, Chicago Ohare entry '75. Original and untouched.

ok @drem914

now that i have got hold of you out of the ether. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
need some info on your car if its a 1.8
looks to be prime material/condition.

see my thread asking the questions.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=358211

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EDIT - i see mr b has bolted in and is going for the important one, those stamp nos on engine tin. he is on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Van B]

Wasn’t planning on jumping into this thread until I saw that both @StarBear and @drem914 have a silver tag while I have a black tag one month after starbear and 13mo before drem!

I used to think the silver or dark was a date thing, but now I wonder if you got a light or dark tag based on the color of your car?!

[drem914]

ok @drem914 now that i have got hold of you out of the ether. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
need some info on your car if its a 1.8
looks to be prime material/condition.

see my thread asking the questions.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=358211
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
EDIT - i see mr b has bolted in and is going for the important one, those stamp nos on engine tin. he is on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thank you @wonkipop . The car was indeed a 1.8L, 49 state car delivered in Chicago. It still is mostly original aside from the major changes of a 5-lug conversion and bigger 16x7 Fuchs, re-covered seats and an exterior respray. I still have my original 1.8 with FI, but it was pulled from the car and crated for posterity to maintain the matching numbers lineage. I currently have a 2.2-4 that is currently in the engine bay. I will attempt to photo the stickers and numbers you are looking for when I can get a chance to open up the crate. The VIN tag is original. The painter asked if I wanted to remove during the paint prep and replace with a repro after, but I preferred to keep the original instead. Please pm me with any questions. I'll check out you thread and provide any info I can.

[wonkipop]

ok @drem914 now that i have got hold of you out of the ether. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
need some info on your car if its a 1.8
looks to be prime material/condition.

see my thread asking the questions.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=358211
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
EDIT - i see mr b has bolted in and is going for the important one, those stamp nos on engine tin. he is on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thank you @wonkipop . The car was indeed a 1.8L, 49 state car delivered in Chicago. It still is mostly original aside from the major changes of a 5-lug conversion and bigger 16x7 Fuchs, re-covered seats and an exterior respray. I still have my original 1.8 with FI, but it was pulled from the car and crated for posterity to maintain the matching numbers lineage. I currently have a 2.2-4 that is currently in the engine bay. I will attempt to photo the stickers and numbers you are looking for when I can get a chance to open up the crate. The VIN tag is original. The painter asked if I wanted to remove during the paint prep and replace with a repro after, but I preferred to keep the original instead. Please pm me with any questions. I'll check out you thread and provide any info I can.

thanks mate.

no rush, when you get time.
sounds like your car has a bit more punch these days.
......and it came from chicago. love chicago.

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[DaveB]

Here is my 49 state, Chicago Ohare entry '75. Original and untouched.

Well this is odd. One month before my car was produced, they were using a different sticker style. I wonder if they wanted to use up what they had in-house and then started the new sticker in the 02/75 lots. But - the other example that matches mine is a California car. Could they have applied these to CA cars only in 75 and it was the indicator for a catalytic converter equipped car?

Based on what @JeffBowlsby was writing, with my car being Ancona blue, the sticker should have been silver like yours. But mine is black. It is almost like they just used whatever was available.

DaveB

[wonkipop]

Here is my 49 state, Chicago Ohare entry '75. Original and untouched.

Well this is odd. One month before my car was produced, they were using a different sticker style. I wonder if they wanted to use up what they had in-house and then started the new sticker in the 02/75 lots. But - the other example that matches mine is a California car. Could they have applied these to CA cars only in 75 and it was the indicator for a catalytic converter equipped car?

Based on what @JeffBowlsby was writing, with my car being Ancona blue, the sticker should have been silver like yours. But mine is black. It is almost like they just used whatever was available.

DaveB

they were post war germans mate.
even in 1975.
never waste anything?
do the change when the old ones are used up?

my business partner is of german descent.
his father grew up as a young boy right after the war in germany.
i love listening to the stories his old man tells.
and some of them are not such great stories.
like crashed plane wrecks with skeletons still in them.

they threw nothing out those people.

they would have used up all their stickers?

as to being contrasting colors with body color.
maybe.
you would have to stack up a whole lot of consecutive cars together to ever know what the pattern was.

the point is you face the quandry of all trying to get originality.
and the answer is it cannot be recreated it can only be preserved.

i would keep your original sticker in situ if you want originality.
its there with all the passing of time and its effects.

or just accept that a renovation is a renovation and a recreation.
which is ok too. but a different thing.

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[wonkipop]

Wasn’t planning on jumping into this thread until I saw that both @StarBear and @drem914 have a silver tag while I have a black tag one month after starbear and 13mo before drem!

I used to think the silver or dark was a date thing, but now I wonder if you got a light or dark tag based on the color of your car?!

i'm going with the idea that all the best colors had black stickers.

a bit like howling wolf versus frank sinatra.

my sticker is black.

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