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> please, please help!, oil filter/oil change problem
shaggy
post Oct 28 2005, 11:47 PM
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so i decided to change my oil.
the car was running fine, very strong, before i attempted anything

i got an oil filter cap wrench and a strap wrench to get it out.

i got the old filter out and replaced it with a bosch 3402
i tightened it well, maybe too well.
filled it with oil to max line, no more.

then i started it and i found my oil light to be on so i shut it down.
i checked my oil and it was reading empty. what the hell? i just filled it!
so i look under the car... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) ...and find that the car had puked all of the oil out from somwhere around the oil filter.

so i take the filter out and put a new one in and fill it again.

i didnt start it right away i changed my brake pads and went and got more brake fluid and fast orange(that stuff is the work of god)

so then i started it again and it puked all the oil out again (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
oil came out from the same general area. all of it...
again it was a bosch 3402

so what is going on?
did i break anything?
is the bosch 3402 the correct oil filter?
did i break or lose a seal?
how can i fix my car so that it will run, for the first time in about a week?

please please if anyone has any information please help.

id like to have it running for tomorrow night so i can go on a date with my girlfriend in the 72 914 as opposed to the lincon continental(the boat that dosent handle at all)

anyone have any ideas?
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post Oct 29 2005, 12:05 AM
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The oil filter mount is attached to the case by two bolts. It's conceivable that you could break this piece, but I've never heard of it. Perhaps the filter is not seating correctly. I don't know the Bosch filter part number off the top of my head, but it could be the wrong one. Do you still have the old one you could put back on to test?
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post Oct 29 2005, 12:08 AM
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I just looked at Kragen's website and it is suggesting the 3402 also. I believe I might have that one on my car too. Did you cross thread the filter and it is hanging up halfway on?
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post Oct 29 2005, 12:17 AM
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i do have the old filter but i dont know if i wanna waste another 3qt of oil on a dirty filter

i could have cross threaded it but it went on too smooth. it felt like it fit. and i cant imagine i did it twice, i mean this isnt the first time i have threaded a screw.

ill check those bolts tomorrow.
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post Oct 29 2005, 12:17 AM
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I'm starting to think you have the wrong filter.

I just checked my "engine graveyard" and there was one with a Bosch 72137 filter on it.

Other acceptable (actually preferred) filters are these two.
Mahle OC-28
Mann W 920/17

Side note: the threads on the filter are 3/4-16 UNF.

Take those part numbers with you to your local parts store and have them interchange those numbers. They should be able to then get you the right filter. You can try a VW shop as well. Most should be able to get you a workable filter.
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post Oct 29 2005, 12:21 AM
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setting my alarm now to get up and head to as many shops as necessary to find a working filter

thanks for those part numbers
they are inspiring some hope (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Oct 29 2005, 03:47 AM
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Shaggy,
Check to see if the old oil filter still has the rubber O ring on it.

You might of put a new filter over an old O ring if it still on the engine......

Two O rings = leak!!

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post Oct 29 2005, 03:56 AM
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Always go with the Mahle!!

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post Oct 29 2005, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Oct 29 2005, 02:47 AM)
Shaggy,
Check to see if the old oil filter still has the rubber O ring on it.

You might of put a new filter over an old O ring if it still on the engine......

Two O rings = leak!!

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post Oct 29 2005, 10:29 AM
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i have checked the o ring many times on all of the filters
on the engine it self where the filter goes there is no o ring

on the oil filter there is one o ring

that mahle oil filter was the kind that was on it originally
but then i put the bosch on and it all went to hell
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post Oct 29 2005, 10:47 AM
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Stay away from Fram, Purolator and Bosch filters for your 914.
Use only Mahle OC-28 or Mann W 920/17
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post Oct 29 2005, 10:50 AM
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do you guys think that could be my entire problem?
i have checked and there was never two o rings
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post Oct 29 2005, 10:51 AM
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Maybe by coincidence, you happend to blow out an oil galley plug right after changing the filter. I sure hope not though. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)
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post Oct 29 2005, 10:53 AM
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what is an oil galley plug and how hard is that to fix if i did and how could i tell?
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post Oct 29 2005, 11:05 AM
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one time I changed the oil and the engine chose that occasion to blow a case galley plug. thanks alot. well, better then than out on the road. if so, engine has to come out. in fact, if so, best to take the engine all apart and put threaded pipe plugs on the 4 in front of the flywheel and the 2 next to the filter console. put a couple qts in and look up there while cranking (but dont start engine - ground coil output wire) good luck
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post Oct 30 2005, 05:18 PM
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It's cross-threaded, (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

Comments?

Suggestions?


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post Oct 30 2005, 05:28 PM
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cross threaded? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

this is why you dont use a wrench to put an oil filter on. hand tight, and MAYBE snug it up with a wrench if so inclined.

the part bolts on to the case. find someone with an oil filter housing and get a new gasket. and go on with life, and chuck the oilfilter wrench (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

no harm no foul, figure youll be in it 20 bucks + another 4 quarts of oil.

CHEAP LESSON (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Oct 30 2005, 06:14 PM
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I am hearing from Shaggy (my son) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chair.gif) that after much effort to remove the oil filter housing (and removal of the engine bar) that he and his pal could not remove the top bolt.

He seems convinced the engine will need to be dropped in order the complete this task (seems the oil cooler is in the way).

How about using a properly sized die to clean up the existing threads?

What size would that be?

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post Oct 30 2005, 06:21 PM
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you can remove the engine carrier bar with the engine in. just support the engine and unbolt the 2 at the end of the bar and the 2 in the middle of the bar. hopefully, it's a 73 or later.
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QUOTE (type47 @ Oct 30 2005, 04:21 PM)
you can remove the engine carrier bar with the engine in. just support the engine and unbolt the 2 at the end of the bar and the 2 in the middle of the bar. hopefully, it's a 73 or later.

Already done, no joy....

A 72' 1.7L

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