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| Racer |
 Aug 10 2007, 09:08 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 787 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Northern Virginia Member No.: 1,073 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
Please forgive me but ... What I am really looking for is a list of the "minumum" parts needed for a 4 to 6 conversion
Lets assume this motor is going into a roller prepped with rollcage, stiffeneing kit, 5bolt conversion already done so HP and chassis match) Also, the potential motor would be a 2.2-2.4l 911 T/E motor with carbs, perhaps MFI Off the top of my head: 1) -6 motor (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) 2) Oil Tank 3) Engine mount bar 4) Engine tin 5) Exhaust/headers 6) Here's where it gets hazy for me.. what are some of the other things I would need, at minimum... I assume some flywheel/clutch parts to mate up to the 901? Various wires/sensors for oil pressure/temp guages? Maybe a "911" tach? Axles? Help! Thanks |
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| sixnotfour |
Aug 10 2007, 09:25 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,433 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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Throttle Linkage ,
Here is a good source in the Vendor section: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=4319 |
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| sww914 |
Aug 10 2007, 10:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,439 Joined: 4-June 06 Member No.: 6,146 Region Association: None |
911 tach, yes. And oil lines to & from the tank, and probably an accelerator cable to go with the new linkage, and the mount for it on the side of the tranny. Probably a fuel pump, depending on what you already have, and if you're planning to track the car a lot, a front oil cooler. Your shift rod may need to be modified depending on the exhaust, probably not, unless you have a tailshifter, then you'll need to convert everything over to side shift.
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| dflesburg |
Aug 10 2007, 10:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,720 Joined: 6-April 04 From: Warm and Cheerful Centerville Ohio Member No.: 1,896 Region Association: None |
If you are like me...
You will need 15 years 1 month and 27 days.... |
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| degreeoff |
Aug 11 2007, 10:17 AM
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I like big butts and I can not lie! Group: Members Posts: 1,622 Joined: 9-February 03 From: Booowieeee MD (near DC) Member No.: 275 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| scotty |
Aug 11 2007, 10:53 AM
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The Fun Never Stops Group: Members Posts: 773 Joined: 20-May 03 From: Portland. Oregon (SW) Member No.: 718 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Ha! Mine only took 15 years 1 month and 26 days!
...wait...I still have seats done in black duct tape...I guess I have to do the interior to count it done...another 5 years ought to do it...yeah... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) At least I can drive it |
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| propricer |
Aug 11 2007, 11:21 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: 16-April 04 From: Morgan Hill, CA Member No.: 1,938 |
Suggest you consider investing in the book on ebay which talks about the conversion specifically.
Second, you might consider buying one that is already done ... it is almost ALWAYS cheaper to go that route !!! Thirdly, it WILL cost you quite a bit more than you think !!! Fourthly, consider a V8 ... good luck |
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| Racer |
Aug 11 2007, 02:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 787 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Northern Virginia Member No.: 1,073 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Thanks for all the reminders and advice.
Since I have a line on a roller that has cage, flares, 5-bolt with 911SC brakes, oil cooler etc the problem is the motor it had is no more. The owner put "this" motor in his other 914. He may have a 2.0l carbed 4 "core" motor that needs rebuilding. On the otherhand, I have a line on a 2.2l 911E spec motor with MFI for a fair price. Not sure if I want another 4, a big 4, or a small 6. Ahh decisions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| ClayPerrine |
Aug 11 2007, 04:06 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,503 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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I have a 2.4L six with MFI in my 914.
No one mentioned an engine mounted oil cooler for a 914/6 or a modified 911 oil cooler (Ya gotta move the tube on the bottom to clear the trailing arm). You need all of the above plus this stuff to use the MFI... Fuel pump for MFI. Fuel filter console for MFI. Engine tin modified for the MFI pump belt, plus a custom made cover for the belt. Heat Exchangers (CANNOT USE HEADERS) that have the heat fitting for the MFI. Modified right hand engine tin to add the MFI heater tube. A factory 914/6 throttle setup, including the hand throttle pieces. The hand throttle is mandatory for MFI, not optional. A syncrometer, a set of MFI protractors, a set of calipers that can measure bigger than 50mm, a CO meter, and a copy of Bosch's "Check, Measure and Adjust". A BIG stock of patience. Been There, Done That. |
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| degreeoff |
Aug 11 2007, 05:11 PM
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I like big butts and I can not lie! Group: Members Posts: 1,622 Joined: 9-February 03 From: Booowieeee MD (near DC) Member No.: 275 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
WOW Clay!! that is EXACTLY why I have carbs......
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| Root_Werks |
Aug 11 2007, 10:49 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,331 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Search for "Shall I say six" and you'll find Trekkor's conversion. He covered most everything the do-it-yourselfer person needs. Well done thread.
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| MoveQik |
Aug 12 2007, 10:01 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
There are a lot of ancillary costs that add up as well. You get the engine tin & headers....oh yeah, you gotta get them coated. You got the oil tank & cooler.....oh yeah, you gotta get all the lines & fittings.
Hell...I had a couple of hundred bucks worth of shipping charges. It's worth every penny but there are a lot of hidden costs, so to speak. |
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| jimkelly |
Aug 12 2007, 12:37 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| ConeDodger |
Aug 12 2007, 12:57 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,608 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Racer @ Aug 11 2007, 01:55 PM)  Thanks for all the reminders and advice. Since I have a line on a roller that has cage, flares, 5-bolt with 911SC brakes, oil cooler etc the problem is the motor it had is no more. The owner put "this" motor in his other 914. He may have a 2.0l carbed 4 "core" motor that needs rebuilding. On the otherhand, I have a line on a 2.2l 911E spec motor with MFI for a fair price. Not sure if I want another 4, a big 4, or a small 6. Ahh decisions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I would have a concern about why someone pulled a motor out of a complete conversion... If I understand correctly. If it was converted you should only need a motor and whatever he pulled out. I would stick with the advice to buy a complete conversion and then do whatever you want with that. It really does take a long time and money to do one. Trekkor, bless his heart does not have a normal job or life so while looking at his conversion thread is educational it is not really possible for most people... I have one for sale on Camp914 and Excellence Magazine Classifieds... (shameless plug) |
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| brant |
Aug 12 2007, 03:46 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,632 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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did anyone mention the flywheel yet?
you have to have an early 911 2.0/6 flywheel plus modified-4 or real 914/6 shift linkage. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Aug 12 2007, 10:35 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,503 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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QUOTE(brant @ Aug 12 2007, 04:46 PM) did anyone mention the flywheel yet? you have to have an early 911 2.0/6 flywheel plus modified-4 or real 914/6 shift linkage. Or modify the transmission to use a 70-71 911 throwout fork. Then use the 70-71 911 clutch with the 901. |
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| brant |
Aug 12 2007, 10:45 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,632 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Aug 12 2007, 09:35 PM) QUOTE(brant @ Aug 12 2007, 04:46 PM) did anyone mention the flywheel yet? you have to have an early 911 2.0/6 flywheel plus modified-4 or real 914/6 shift linkage. Or modify the transmission to use a 70-71 911 throwout fork. Then use the 70-71 911 clutch with the 901. Good point Clay... more than one way to work through these issues here is a cooler for sale from a very upstanding and trustworthy vendor modified oil cooler |
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| Dave_Darling |
Aug 13 2007, 12:24 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,991 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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The Bird site has a pretty decent set of articles that talks about what you need. There is, of course, a little advertising in them... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And they are by no means complete (people come up with new ways to do these things all the time!) but it will give you some ideas.
Didn't "groot" do some super-cheapie make-your-own-bits conversion threads? I recall him faking up (fabricating) engine tin, using the 911 tin as a basis... And a few other things, too. I hope I have the user name correct. --DD |
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| John |
Aug 13 2007, 10:00 AM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Aug 12 2007, 10:24 PM) Didn't "groot" do some super-cheapie make-your-own-bits conversion threads? I recall him faking up (fabricating) engine tin, using the 911 tin as a basis... And a few other things, too. I hope I have the user name correct. --DD I thought that was Dan Root (Root_Werks)..... |
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