 Trailing arm bushings, I need an education |
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| ottox914 |
 Sep 17 2012, 07:55 PM
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The glory that once was.  Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest   |
I need to replace trailing arm bushings. I have had a loud "KLUNK" in the rt rear of the car for a bit. I kept thinking it was a shock bottoming out. I took the wheel and rocked the car back and forth by pushing and pulling on the top of the wheel, and could make the klunk happen. So not shock oriented. I had a friend rock the car by using the tire, and I stuck an arm under the car and could feel the motion between the trailing arm and the inner mounting ear. And the klunk. I did the same test on the driver side, and felt some slight movement, but no klunk was heard. Was the movement normal for a 40 yr old car? I don't know. But I'm pretty darn sure the the rt rear needs replacement.
If one is bad, can the other be far behind? Considerations: I need the car this weekend for an autocross. And the following. Points are at stake here. Can I crank on the 2 nuts holding the trailing arm in place and buy one more event? After this weekend, I have the following week, 24-28 to get this done. A double header event on the 29-30 has me needing the car back in action. The super $$$ elephant poly bronze looks nice, how hard are they to install? Delrin (?) is much cheeper, but how hard to install? How easy are they to mess up if you end up doing come custom fitting, which would be a real problem if I couldn't get additional replacement bushings fast enough? Having never done this, how much time to budget? Any good write ups on the process? Should I be doing wheel bearings at the same time? How hard are those to do? Time will not allow for fancy powder coating or such. I'm thinking of a quick remove/repair/replace. Anything else I need to be aware of? |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2012, 08:13 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(ottox914 @ Sep 17 2012, 06:55 PM)  Any good write ups on the process? The search does work ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Less than 20 seconds to find this: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=79299 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| ottox914 |
Sep 17 2012, 09:05 PM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Found that, read it. Was wondering if there was anything similar for the ER poly bronze kits, or the Rebel Racing bushings.
Any feedback on the RR bushings. They look interesting to me. http://rebelracingproducts.com/SuspSteerpage2.html Rebel S Racing (RSR) Products 914 Rear Bushing Set |
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| brant |
Sep 17 2012, 09:07 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,632 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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that clunk sound scares me...
very likely its an ovaled trailing arm hole... either way your alignment is gone I'd try to fix it right |
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| rick 918-S |
Sep 17 2012, 10:26 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,473 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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Come to think of it I agree with Brant. It could be a ovaled hole. Check the nut and washer to see if they look like they have been moving. We spend an hour on the phone and I never gave it a thought. |
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| Jeffs9146 |
Sep 17 2012, 10:36 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
Check the hole when you get the arm out! It can be repaired in an hour or less if you have a welder!
Here is a before and after repair photo! Attached image(s)  
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| euro911 |
Sep 17 2012, 11:33 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,851 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California
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Hmmm. I hear a thud more than a clunk in the 'BB'. I originally thought the motor and trans mounts were shot. Installed new mounts with the new drive train, but the thud is still there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Here's a thought, Dave: Pick up new bushings, some spare trailing arms, paint or powder coat them, install new bearings and have them ready to go in on your schedule (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| MikeM |
Sep 18 2012, 09:05 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 564 Joined: 16-May 10 From: Calgary, Canada Member No.: 11,733 Region Association: Canada |
I just did this last week. I had to wait for trailing arm shafts, so I got a little hung up for that. Contact Eric Shea and he will set you up with everything you need.
Great guy and super helpful. Mike |
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| ottox914 |
Sep 18 2012, 10:30 AM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Just got off the phone with Eric, Elephant bushing and shaft kit is on the way. Being pressed for time, I was not certain how bad the existing bushings/shafts might be, so the full monty kit seemed a good idea. And I've heard nothing but good things about that kit.
I'll see about some pics and hope I have no oval problems. Check the for sale section. I have a set of the freemotion front roller bearing conversions that I never installed. I'll be selling these with the hopes of getting the $$$ before the charge hits on the order from Eric, so I can keep balances in check till I find work again. Has anyone done, or even attempted to do this job with out disconnecting the entire rear of the car? Could you drop the trailing arm from the front mounting ears and save some time taking the rest of everything all apart? I ask because pulling axles is usually no biggie, except when the driver side of the car from the engine back is stuffed full of turbo stuff. Its not like I've never taken that out and put it back before, but would like to avoid that if possible. I'm not sure I can get that axle out with out taking those items out as well. |
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| Jeffs9146 |
Sep 18 2012, 10:48 AM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
I have always had to press the shaft out! Kind of hard to do on the car!
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| bulitt |
Sep 18 2012, 11:14 AM
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Achtzylinder Group: Members Posts: 4,188 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States |
When I changed my bushings the shafts were almost completely rusted through. Would have been a catastrophic failure. Thanks to Eric for new shafts!!!
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| Eric_Shea |
Sep 18 2012, 11:44 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE Could you drop the trailing arm from the front mounting ears and save some time taking the rest of everything all apart? In for a penny... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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| Tom |
Sep 18 2012, 11:54 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
I found it impossible to put the trailing arms back on with the shocks and axles on the car and attached to the trailing arm. The arm would not fit without putting them in at an angle first and with the axles and shock attached, at least for one person operations, I just couldn't get the arm at the angle needed to go on. Of course now that the arm is on, I have to find a way to get the axles back on. I am going to loosen the trans and drop it a few inches.
tom |
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| Eric_Shea |
Sep 18 2012, 01:41 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE Of course now that the arm is on, I have to find a way to get the axles back on. I am going to loosen the trans and drop it a few inches. Remove the CV's at the tranny and re-install. |
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| Tom |
Sep 18 2012, 01:57 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
Eric,
Well, why not. Thanks for turning the light bulb on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They are all apart anyway. Tom |
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| euro911 |
Sep 18 2012, 03:20 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,851 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California
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I need to rebuild a few sets of axles too (911/912 and 914 Lobros).
Thinking about hosting an 'Axle Rebuild Clinic' in the near future (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| Eric_Shea |
Sep 18 2012, 03:22 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
That should be "Uber Exciting" Mark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yawn.gif)
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| euro911 |
Sep 18 2012, 03:29 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,851 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California
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We might throw in a front suspension rebuild clinic with it, and of course - a BBQ. Should make it a little more enjoyable (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| ottox914 |
Sep 18 2012, 05:18 PM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
QUOTE(euro911 @ Sep 18 2012, 04:29 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) We might throw in a front suspension rebuild clinic with it, and of course - a BBQ. Should make it a little more enjoyable (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Do it all at my place and we can use my car and my grill... OK, probably not. |
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| ottox914 |
Sep 20 2012, 10:52 AM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Sep 17 2012, 11:26 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) Come to think of it I agree with Brant. It could be a ovaled hole. Check the nut and washer to see if they look like they have been moving. We spend an hour on the phone and I never gave it a thought. PICS for all you blood sucking sorts out there who enjoy the pain of others...  Outside looks solid.  Inside not so much. |
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