Michellin sucks, -ruined the USGP Options

[seanery]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) I can't believe it. WTF. Michellin, in it's 6th year here, can't create a tire that will will finish the race? WTF.

NO FRENCHIE FUCKING TIRES FOR ANY OF MY CARS!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)

[Thorshammer]

Is it Michelin or Ecclestone or Max Mosley with the FIA. This race is fucking bullshit.

Whats even more BULLSHIT is the fans throwing debris onto the track. THIS DAY.... I AM TRULY SAD TO BE REPRESENTED BY THESE FELLOW AMERICANS. IF I COULD GET ONE OF THEM IN MY HANDS RIGHT NOW, I WOULD BEAT THEM DOWN AS HARD AND AS LONG AS I COULD. THIS IS A TRAVESTY ! And an embarassment to all Americans that have paid their money to attend this race. My heart is very heavy on this day. The ramifications of this piss poor preparation by Michelin will have lasting effects.

Erik Madsen

[Jeroen]

Yes, Michelin f-ed up BIG TIME... but IMO it's the FIA that's f-ing up this event
If you have a problem, you fix it... You don't come with all your bureaucratic BS, like the FIA has done today...

They could have easily allowed Michelin to use the tires that they flew in
In exchange they could have allowed the Bridgestone teams a tirechange during the race (or some other penalty for the Michelin teams)

That way all the people that bought an expensive ticket would at least still have something to watch...

Watching 6 cars doing testlaps is total BS

IMO, Ecclestone and his f-face friends are the assh*les today!

[TimT]

Did ya notice Speed is still running the Michelin commercials during the race?

[lapuwali]

Completely agree. This is down to Max and Bernie.

I hope this is one more big step towards the breakaway series actually happening. I'd like nothing better than to see Mosley out of the F1 biz altogether.

[goose2]

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Michelin screwed up and deserves to be penalized, but the race should have gone on somehow. A dark day for F1.

[serge914]

From what I understand Ferrari is the only that didn't agree to race with a chicane. Minardi and Jordans were willing. FUK Ferrari.

[Thorshammer]

Serge,

What are your sources?? Because I just got off the phone with one of my college buddies that works for Scuderia, and he said the decision was made entirely by the FIA and had to deal with the FIA sanctioning of the circuit which must be approved many months prior to the event. He also said the teams were not contacted regarding the addition of a chicane. The tire manufacturers were contacted and the chicane was asked for by Michelin due to their lack of ability to produce and bring a tire that would stand up to the rigors of this racing surface which BTW was done by a Canadian company that did Mont Tremblant.

This is a very sad day, and I am still embarassed by the American fans as well as the FIA and Bernie. As for Michelin, they should have been prepared. They weren't!

So who responsible, the chicken or the egg, I say the EGG that Michelin layed was the beginning, but no one should have allowed this to happen. What a shame.

Erik

[Britain Smith]

QUOTE (serge914 @ Jun 19 2005, 12:20 PM)

From what I understand Ferrari is the only that didn't agree to race with a chicane. Minardi and Jordans were willing. FUK Ferrari.

If it was the other way around, the rest of the teams would have done the same thing. I think that the FIA and Ferrari did the right thing.

-Britain

[serge914]

According to the Canadian television, Radio Canada, all the teams except Ferrari agreed to the Michelin proposition to run the race with the chicane, and all the Michelin runnind teams were even willing to forget about the championships points and start the race behind the Bridgestone teams.

Of course Michelin is faulty but they admitted it and were trying to save the day.
They also said that Bridgestone found about the new pavement because of Firestone who was running the Indy 500.

[Thorshammer]

Thanks for the source!

But the track has been paved prior to the FIA sanctioning the race. If you have ever seen this process it is very intensive. It describes all of the changes at the track, barriers, corner worker stations, as well as track resurfacing, even if it is only one corner, it must be inspected by an FIA member. This would have been included in a sanctioning report to ALL teams, constructors, and tire manufacturers. I am glad I did not go this year, I would have been really pissed. as for Scuderia not saying okay to the Chicane, I don't think that is the case. But it will come out in the future. I am sure.

Erik

PS: For sale: Michelin Formula one race tires never raced only dropped once. Sorry, old WWII joke.

[Mrs. K]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) To Michelin & F-1....I go to the Champ car Long Beach Grand Prix every year and the ticket prices this year for a Suday only reserved seat was $70 !!!!!
I can't even imagine how much these people paid for their seats at the USGP!

And it was HORRIBLE that the fans actually threw things on the track and put the drivers who where trying to give them some kind of show in danger because of the debris! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif)

Not a good day to be an American racing fan!

The Champ car race is on now and my favorite driver (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) Jimmy Vasser was just highlighted....so at least that's cool.

But I don't understand why F-1 couldn't have taken care of this long before today's race....shame on them and Michelin!!

Lisa (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving-girl.gif)

[Mrs. K]

QUOTE (Thorshammer @ Jun 19 2005, 01:44 PM)

PS: For sale: Michelin Formula one race tires never raced only dropped once. Sorry, old WWII joke.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Was it during the waving of the "WHITE FLAG" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif)

Lisa (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)

[J P Stein]

The teams wouldn't have dared pull this shit at the French GP.
Basicly, it's a "fuck you, America".

Nobody cried when Bridgestone fried tires earlier in the season
It was tough nuggies Bridgestone, build a better tire next time......but they ran till the tires puked.

The FIA should fine the teams that quit a million bucks apeice and the Bridgestone runners should get the money and be able to use new motors in France.

Michelin wanted a chicane.....fuck me stupid....what a bunch of arrogant asshole.

[Jeroen]

It's got nothing to do with "fuck you America"
But the differences in liability laws between the US and the rest of the world hasn't helped in this case...

Before the race, 9 teams had pledged not to race if they wouldn't allow the chicane. AFAIK, Ferrari was not one of them

During the "race" there was an interview with Paul Stodard (Minardi)
He was completely outraged, swearing and cussin' (hey, you can do that on Dutch TV (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif))
Jordan was one of the teams that pledged not to race, but they (Jordan) decided to go for the points anyway at the very last minute. Because of that, Minardi was forced to go out as well (couldn't afford not to)
Stodard (Minardi) claimed he could have been competitive with Jordan under normal racing conditions, but after today, their season was over. Minardi has no change of closing the 4 point gap which Jordan "won" today over the rest of the season

Above all, Schumacher again proved to be a spineless turd today
And what about that moron driver from Jordan that got 3rd place... he was actually excited. Like he actually achieved something (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

If there's no competition, it's not racing... it's just BS

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I hope this is one more big step towards the breakaway series actually happening

Slim chance... Fucclestone holds all the cards and is in a position he can pretty much blackmail EVERY other racing organisation (which he has done in the past and surely won't hessitate to do again in the future)

Bottom line, Michelin fucked up but tried everything in their power to save the day...
FIA should have provided a sollution to the problem, but chose not too

[black73]

F1 has been BS for years. I stopped caring long ago. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/flipa.gif)

[TimT]

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And what about that moron driver from Jordan that got 3rd place... he was actually excited. Like he actually achieved something if

I think I disagree with that sentiment, he placed third.. in the US GP behind probably the greatest F1 driver of all time, and his very talented team-mate. Granted it was an unusual race, yet it was still a race!


In Montreal there were no tire issues, yet in Indy the Michelin tires couldnt last more than a few laps? ( for only one team!!!)

BTW the banking at Indy is kind of flat actually.

Your typical interstate is designed with a 2 degree crown to allow water drainage (this is on straight sections) Some highway turns exceed 6 deg depending on the radius design speed etc..

Im not sure what the delio was with the tires since only two of the 14 cars running on Michelins had problems..

I do know some kid from Portugal came in third in the US Grand Prix I say good on him

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[racejoe]

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Michelin way F'd up, but can't believe that FIA couldn't come up with a solution. Use new flown in tires (although there seems to be some debate as to if these tires existed and if they would be any better) but all M teams start at the rear. Or no M teams score points.

All in all a travesty!

No french tires on my car....

[goose2]

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Im not sure what the delio was with the tires since only two of the 14 cars running on Michelins had problems..

apparently the other Michelin shod cars, while not experiencing failures, saw evidence of trouble during practice and qualifying

[Jeroen]

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Im not sure what the delio was with the tires since only two of the 14 cars running on Michelins had problems..

Michelin issued a written press statement where they claimed that there was a safety issue with their tires and they advised the teams not to run. If they chose to run anyway, it was at their own risk.