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914werke
post Feb 8 2006, 01:28 AM
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how can you tell the differance between Hydro lifters and solid? Anyone got comparison pics?
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Mark Henry
post Feb 8 2006, 07:17 AM
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If you have them out take an old pushrod and press down in the cup. The guts of a hydro will move.

Also they have a circlip inside them...but so do some aftermarket solids.
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post Feb 8 2006, 10:12 AM
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You'll know a solid lifter because it'll be all chewed to shit on one end. Unless you buy from Jake.
Which I only reccomend if you only like to put an engine together once, I like doing it several times because obviously I have nothing better to do.
And god hates me.

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post Feb 8 2006, 10:33 AM
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post Feb 8 2006, 10:48 AM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) Wow.
Thas ugly.
I ask cuz I tore down a supposedly hydro engine but it appears to have mixed parts IE new hyd WEB cam and steel one piece PR's but the lifters appear to be solids ?
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post Feb 8 2006, 10:51 AM
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That's why I snaged a spare set of ceramics last time I was down at Charles. Got them just before the prices went balistic.
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post Feb 8 2006, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Feb 8 2006, 08:51 AM)
That's why I snaged a spare set of ceramics last time I was down at Charles. Got them just before the prices went balistic.
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The ceramics were not exactly cheap to start with. How high is ballistic? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)
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post Feb 8 2006, 12:12 PM
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post Feb 8 2006, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Feb 8 2006, 11:48 AM)
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) Wow.
Thas ugly.
I ask cuz I tore down a supposedly hydro engine but it appears to have mixed parts IE new hyd WEB cam and steel one piece PR's but the lifters appear to be solids ?

Did they look like this (on the left, SCAT ones)?

(IMG:http://www.qtm.net/~persot/webcam/Lifter%20Comparison.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.qtm.net/~persot/webcam/Lifter%20Wear.jpg)

Those are SCAT high performance lifters. My Webcam 163/86b ate thru those in less than an hour.

Get lifters from Jake - he at least knows what works and what doesnt. Those SCAT lifters may work OK for light spring pressure and near stock cams. But, if you've got some dual heavyweight springs, steer clear.

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post Feb 8 2006, 09:03 PM
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post Feb 9 2006, 03:42 AM
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Scat, has lube-a-lobes, for type lV's now, actually there's a hole from the Rockwell testing, that doubles as a lobe luber. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) Also, on the side of the lifter, where the side oiler is, a wider area was machined to allow puddeling of oil to better oil the lifter bore.

They go for around $80 buckaroos

And yes I'am gonna buy a set.

And I've had my share of flat cams (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)
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post Feb 9 2006, 03:43 AM
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Uhhh...

smac... I have a question for you.

How long did that engine run with bad lifters???

I was wondring how the hell it ran long enough for that much damage to occur.. Just interested for no good earthly reason...

I haven't seen anything like that since I had a tour of one of (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) engines... Man.. thats pitiful.

Buy the engine from GEX?

Or did Slits hand ya the wrong oil can during a lube change? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

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post Feb 9 2006, 05:29 AM
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Are the cam bearings down to the bronze?

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post Feb 9 2006, 06:51 AM
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QUOTE (V6914 @ Feb 9 2006, 05:42 AM)
Scat, has lube-a-lobes, for  type lV's now, actually there's a hole from the Rockwell testing, that doubles as a lobe luber.   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)   Also, on the side of the lifter, where the side oiler is, a wider area was machined to allow puddeling of oil to better oil the lifter bore.

They go for around $80 buckaroos

And yes I'am gonna buy a set.

And I've had my share of flat cams (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

Scat lube-a-lobes are a big pile of steaming dog (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif)

I've had in the past year and a half 3 (customer built) engines that have these POS take a dump...2 of them on Scat cams!

Hey...maybe I souldn't complain...keeps me in jobs.

Look "Scat" up in the dictionary, very accurate description.
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post Feb 9 2006, 09:22 AM
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Thanks Mark and they look like the middle lifter (WEB?)
And I already scored some Ceramics but Im tryin to positivly ID these lifters.
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post Feb 9 2006, 09:29 AM
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Right now the only things working for me is a matched set of cam and lifters from Jake. On low budget I've got away with a good used cam (hard to find) with stock (brazil) lifters and of course ceramics.
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post Feb 9 2006, 09:54 AM
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I am working to drop the price of my lifters..... Maybe to 110 bucks a set from 180.00!
I'm testing another service from a different source for my Ion Nitriding...
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post Feb 9 2006, 09:59 AM
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