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| Engman |
Mar 12 2004, 04:42 PM
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Well I literally just got these...... laser time went sky high with the added holes but they are needed.
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| IronHillRestorations |
Mar 17 2004, 08:37 PM
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I. I. R. C. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,955 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Interesting thread.
My first impressions were that the steel pieces should have a 90 degree flange on the bottom. Welding to an inside corner, especially like the one at the bottom of the longitudinals where there is a radiused corner isn't ideal. Most of the rusty longitudinal cars need something to weld to, and these pieces don't give that to you. I guess you could brake some 16 ga and make your own add on flanges. Carbon fiber??? Structural carbon fiber is compression autoclave cured, not air cured. You can get carbon fiber wet laid parts, but they realy aren't stronger than the fiberglass counterparts, they just look cooler. Epoxy??? That's a good one. If you think there will be stress cracks with welding, how long do you think a stressed glue joint (done in somone's garage in questionable environment) will hold? Quarter panels that are epoxied on cars aren't structural members, like the longitudinals of a 914. Proper GAS MIG welding is the best way to go with this. Y'know the G in MIG stands for gas. Flux core wire welders are just stick welders that have a real skinny stick on a spool. Spend the extra $75 and get the gas kit. Clean the area under the panel. Treat it with a phosphoric acid solution (Ospho, Oxy-Solv, Rust-Mort, etc), and paint it with 3M weld through primer (now around $24 a can!). Weld them on correctly, without overheating them, and with good weld penetration. Then treat the inside of the longitudinals and all dead air spaces. The car will last a long time. It's your car though, if you want to roll the dice with something else, let us know how it turns out.... five or ten years from now. PK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
Engman Internal longs - The product Mar 12 2004, 04:42 PM
kenpolives Nice, need any test dummies? Mar 12 2004, 05:33 PM
Engman Brad has a set going out hopefully tomorrow. Price... Mar 12 2004, 07:26 PM
TimT Im in for a set :beer1: Mar 12 2004, 07:45 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut Since I'm not always gutting out a 914 I have ... Mar 12 2004, 09:14 PM
ChrisReale They go inside the cabin along the longs and rear ... Mar 12 2004, 09:47 PM
GWN7 Very nice :trophy: :beer2: Mar 13 2004, 12:14 AM
SirAndy
thesey914 IIRC Brad said that the inner longs are the target... Mar 13 2004, 02:09 AM
eresener M,
These are great. They will certainly save alot ... Mar 13 2004, 04:26 AM
joea9146 Very Nice any pictures of them Installed ?
Now I ... Mar 13 2004, 05:09 AM
maf914 Very nice. :trophy:
I'm interested in a se... Mar 13 2004, 10:11 AM
Engman Sorry no new pics today - my 13 yr old dauhgter ha... Mar 13 2004, 06:46 PM
Brad Roberts I thought about having you go to the floorpans. Wh... Mar 14 2004, 01:42 AM
don9146
kwales Sunflower,
Quick hand calc looks like it is true ... Mar 15 2004, 06:21 PM
Engman E-coat primer painted. This is weldable.
Laser c... Mar 15 2004, 06:43 PM
TimT I am an engineer as well however I dont play one ... Mar 15 2004, 07:10 PM
TimT I have an FEA program siting on my PC somewhere...... Mar 15 2004, 07:12 PM
Qarl I agree... adding a Z-fold would add additional st... Mar 15 2004, 09:47 PM
914MF If you added a z-fold would it be fesible to epoxy... Mar 15 2004, 11:01 PM
Qarl I have no idea about the epoxy. I didn't even... Mar 15 2004, 11:14 PM
vortrex my uncle is a painter/fabricator/restoration guy. ... Mar 15 2004, 11:50 PM
GWN7 They glue 1/4 panels on now. I have been told it... Mar 16 2004, 12:05 AM
joea9146 Yes why not add the overlap to the top and glue/b... Mar 16 2004, 05:19 AM
eresener This thread has been very interesting. I am not an... Mar 16 2004, 06:26 AM
sunfloweryellow914 It doesn't make any sense to prefabricate any ... Mar 16 2004, 07:28 AM
joea9146 Some 3M Bonding Agents.
3M Bond
3M Structural
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Gint Mark,
This is interesting. Nice work. I may be ... Mar 16 2004, 10:21 AM
rhaas I would not apply carbon fiber directly over the s... Mar 16 2004, 10:33 AM
Brad Roberts Damn.. look at the "BIG BRAIN" on the 914 club. We... Mar 16 2004, 11:27 AM
andys Interesting thought using epoxy and /or fiber re-e... Mar 16 2004, 11:34 AM
kwales I usta do a lot of military and aircraft,-spacecra... Mar 16 2004, 11:55 AM
crash914 Way back when I was a rocket scientist...
I used ... Mar 16 2004, 12:10 PM
Qarl Yes, I think a combination of aerospace-type epoxy... Mar 16 2004, 01:50 PM
sunfloweryellow914 If someone can figure a way of making the doors be... Mar 16 2004, 04:29 PM
Brett W You have just hit on the modern dilemna of chassis... Mar 16 2004, 04:47 PM
GWN7 Weld the doors shut and put in a cage. You could a... Mar 16 2004, 04:59 PM
Jeroen I used Duramix (www.duramix.com) from 3M to glue i... Mar 16 2004, 07:43 PM
McMark ENGMAN
Brad would like you to call HPH asap! ... Mar 17 2004, 01:21 PM
sunfloweryellow914 If you had a set of really strong rocker panels an... Mar 18 2004, 07:19 AM![]() ![]() |
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