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> Aside from the cache, why a six over a four with same h.p.? Smoothness?, 1970-1976 914-4, 914-6
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post Mar 30 2012, 08:48 AM
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I have never driven a stock original 2.0 914-6. I have driven properly converted 914s with 2.7/3.0 transplants and my own stock 1.7Ls. Aside from the cache of a six in back, if you can have 200-250 h.p. from a four, why convert to a six? Is there a noticeable difference in torque and smoothness over a properly modified four? Can you feel it on the road? A serious question seeking the definitive answer that could save $10-20K later. Let's hear from both camps, pluses and minuses.
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post Mar 30 2012, 09:20 AM
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All good points, but if you're comparing a stock 2L 6 with 110 HP - to a milder 2056-2270 4 with 110-165 HP - then you'll save about 270 lbs. in wt. over the 6, plus quite a bit in the wallet! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

PS - IIRC the 2L stock 6 was only about 110-125 ft/lb TQ & the 6's TQ doesn't come in until pretty high in the revs., whereas the stock 2.0 4 had about the same TQ much earlier & with a flat plateau TQ curve all the way to redline pretty much at max., which is why the 73-74 2.0 GA's were a decent replacement for the 2L-6 ..... and the TQ curves that I'd seen on the Raby site for the 2056 & 2270 had the same early/flat with 140-180 ft/lb TQ IIRC - so the milder 4's have much better TQ than the stock -6!

If you're talking a conversion-6 with a later air or water boxer 6, then that's a whole different ballgame & price range - and the individual's preference.

PSS - Another built-4 option is FAT Performance here in Orange CA - especially if you're in CA or the west, since Raby is in GA back east. Google their website for T-IV motors. Ron the owner there can build you an engine to whatever you want (IIRC he does aircooled 6's too), & he's a super nice guy who will walk you thru his shop personally & spend time with you, which is nolonger an option with Raby due to their "insurance concerns" last I heard.
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post Mar 30 2012, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 30 2012, 08:20 AM) *

All good points, but if you're comparing a stock 2L 6 with 110 HP - to a milder 2056-2270 4 with 110-165 HP - then you'll save about 270 lbs. in wt. over the 6, plus quite a bit in the wallet! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

PS - IIRC the 2L stock 6 was only about 110-125 ft/lb TQ & the 6's TQ doesn't come in until pretty high in the revs., whereas the stock 2.0 4 had about the same TQ much earlier & with a flat plateau TQ curve all the way to redline pretty much at max., which is why the 73-74 2.0 GA's were a decent replacement for the 2L-6 ..... and the TQ curves that I'd seen on the Raby site for the 2056 & 2270 had the same early/flat with 140-180 ft/lb TQ IIRC - so the milder 4's have much better TQ than the stock -6!

If you're talking a conversion-6 with a later air or water boxer 6, then that's a whole different ballgame & price range - and the individual's preference.

PSS - Another built-4 option is FAT Performance here in Orange CA - especially if you're in CA or the west, since Raby is in GA back east. Google their website for T-IV motors. Ron the owner there can build you an engine to whatever you want (IIRC he does aircooled 6's too), & he's a super nice guy who will walk you thru his shop personally & spend time with you, which is nolonger an option with Raby due to their "insurance concerns" last I heard.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) ............ that was my logic during powerplant considerations ........... I decided on a semi modded 2056cc .......... I am expecting between 130-150 HP which should be plenty for a GT clone/replica ..... anything more than that would be icing on the cake!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I further chose the 4 because of the simplicity and weight .......... and for extra cooling I will be running an oil filter 'sandwich' adapter with the extra cooler in the wheel well ............. it is currently twin carbed with 44 IDF Webers, Web #270 Camshaft, ported heads w/ 44IN &38 EX valves, counter weighted crank and H-Beam rods/ARP bolts .......... runs and sounds very nice ....... on the engine dyno so far ....... still need to finish the car though ....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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unpolire   Aside from the cache, why a six over a four with same h.p.? Smoothness?   Mar 30 2012, 08:48 AM
MoveQik   I have never driven a stock original 2.0 914-6. ...   Mar 30 2012, 08:56 AM
unpolire   Are you asking about any 6 versus a big/4? [/quote...   Mar 31 2012, 05:45 PM
Steve   Do a search.. This has been hashed over hundreds o...   Mar 30 2012, 09:02 AM
unpolire   Do a search.. This has been hashed over hundreds ...   Mar 30 2012, 07:11 PM
Steve   [quote name='Steve' post='1656788' date='Mar 30 2...   Mar 31 2012, 08:54 PM
unpolire   [quote name='Steve' post='1656788' date='Mar 30 ...   Mar 31 2012, 09:58 PM
Steve   [quote name='Steve' post='1657959' date='Mar 31 2...   Apr 1 2012, 09:54 AM
SirAndy   Beware a big six or any other 220+ hp engine in a ...   Apr 3 2012, 12:04 PM
carr914   Exactly, because it takes a lot ( Raby) to get to ...   Mar 30 2012, 09:04 AM
SLITS   A big four with lots of horsepower is a limited ti...   Mar 30 2012, 09:11 AM
Tom_T   All good points, but if you're comparing a sto...   Mar 30 2012, 09:20 AM
gothspeed   All good points, but if you're comparing a st...   Mar 30 2012, 10:46 AM
sixerdon   All good points, but if you're comparing a st...   Mar 31 2012, 08:36 AM
Bleyseng   All good points, but if you're comparing a s...   Mar 31 2012, 05:53 PM
jcd914   The sound! What sounds better than a Porsche ...   Mar 31 2012, 02:06 AM
unpolire   The sound! What sounds better than a Porsche...   Mar 31 2012, 05:42 PM
J P Stein   I'll assume you know something about engines a...   Mar 31 2012, 10:03 AM
Cairo94507   There is nothing like the sound of a six.   Mar 31 2012, 10:15 AM
brant   the -6 motor is 250lbs heavier but early cars wei...   Mar 31 2012, 10:33 AM
mepstein   I was under the assumption that the 2.0 six engine...   Mar 31 2012, 02:54 PM
GeorgeRud   Porsche discontinued the -6 as they were not makin...   Mar 31 2012, 03:20 PM
campbellcj   The six will run all day long at 6,000+ RPM. For 2...   Mar 31 2012, 05:28 PM
gothspeed   The 6 would be my cost/trouble 'is no object...   Mar 31 2012, 05:46 PM
mepstein   A 200-250hp 4 is a specialized exotic beast. A 3.2...   Mar 31 2012, 07:21 PM
a914622   For me its all about long term durability. Im gett...   Mar 31 2012, 09:37 PM
unpolire   I am in process of putting an svx engine back to...   Mar 31 2012, 09:47 PM
shuie   overhead cams, the sound of MFI at 7000+ RPM, the ...   Mar 31 2012, 09:52 PM
Crazyhippy   200HP... :lol4: :rotfl: :evilgrin:   Mar 31 2012, 10:02 PM
J P Stein   Let's throw this challenge up to the big 4 afi...   Apr 1 2012, 07:41 PM
Rand   4 is lighter, 6 lasts longer If all you want is ...   Apr 1 2012, 08:38 PM
J P Stein   The reponse from the T-4 crowd was as I expected....   Apr 3 2012, 09:46 AM
unpolire   BTW, proper spelling of the word as used is cache...   Apr 3 2012, 10:24 PM
vsg914   Its a no brainer. The only thing to consider is ho...   Apr 3 2012, 10:30 AM
J P Stein   BTW JP, I still drive my car everyday. 12K on...   Apr 3 2012, 10:56 AM
dlestep   Bought my used '73 914 in 1988 and drove it fo...   Apr 3 2012, 11:56 AM
JmuRiz   If I had my way I'd do this !!!...   Apr 4 2012, 07:51 AM
ape914   Now a v-8 is the way to go for reliable, inexpensi...   Apr 3 2012, 11:59 AM
Jake Raby   Closer to 12-13K in reality these days.. I just u...   Apr 3 2012, 01:11 PM
andys   Hey, a thread I can actually opine on! In ...   Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM
brp986s   I miss my -4. It was so nimble compared to my 3.2...   Apr 4 2012, 09:58 AM
J P Stein   I miss my -4. It was so nimble compared to my 3....   Apr 4 2012, 10:23 AM


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