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> Trans gear flip. Can I do it?
Han Solo
post Dec 27 2015, 01:45 PM
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I'll probably get more eyes on the thread in the Garage.

I've got a spare 901 trans purchased about 2 years ago. No idea how many miles are on it or what year car it came off of. What I do know is I need a different gear set for my Prepared '73 914 autocross car. I've read through the gear set charts and I believe the flipped 3rd and 5th will get me where I need to go.

So today I got that trans on the bench, drained the fluid and removed the rear cover. Those of you who know what they're looking at, please let me know how 1st gear slider and dog teeth look in the photos.

My initial observations are that those look pretty good. I noted that someone had installed a magnetic drain plug. That had done it's job and there was about 1/2" of metallic goo stuck around the inside of the plug. The gear oil came out pretty clean with only very slight traces of micro particles.

I just read Bondo's thread on trans disassembly and it's pretty intense. There's also no mention of the 3rd and 5th gear flip so I've got no clue exactly what that procedure is.

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post Jan 2 2016, 07:47 AM
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The gear cluster on the intermediate plate, ring/pinion and case are a set with clearances adjusted during assembly. If you take a transmission apart and don't see any R&P or bearing problems, you can reassemble it and preserve the original adjustments. If you exchange major components, you need to reset R&P adjustment.

Pinion depth is the 1st thing checked when rebuilding a transmission and requires special tools (expensive). Rough pinion depth is established with shims in the gear stack next to the roller bearing. Fine adjustment is made with various thickness gaskets between the case and the intermediate plate. This means that you can reassemble a transmission with the same major components and with the same thickness gaskets and pinion depth setting will be OK. The gasket between the intermediate plate and the nose has no adjustment function; it is always about 0.20mm thick.

The second thing checked is the preload on the differential roller bearings. It is adjusted through various thickness spacer rings on the differential carrier spigots under the roller bearings. It is measured by checking the turning resistence of the differential carrier. If you do not change differential carrier, case or bearings, this adjustment is preserved.

The last thing checked is the backlash between the ring and pinion gears. It is adjusted by changing the spacer rings under the differential bearings so as to move the ring gear toward or away from the center line of the pinion shaft.
Rings need to be changed in pairs in order to preserve the bearing preload. To measure backlash, you need to fix the pinion shaft and attach an arm with a dial indicator to the differential carrier and measure movement to a fixed point on the side cover. Backlash adjustment is preserved if you do not change components involved.

I hope I didn't tell you how to build a clock when you only wanted to know the time.
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Han Solo   Trans gear flip. Can I do it?   Dec 27 2015, 01:45 PM
jimkelly   I think slider (the side shown, anyway) is usable ...   Dec 27 2015, 02:09 PM
r_towle   Too hard to see for a decent opinion. For the fli...   Dec 27 2015, 03:42 PM
Han Solo   So, take the fifth gears off. Take the 4th and 3...   Dec 27 2015, 08:57 PM
r_towle   So, take the fifth gears off. Take the 4th and ...   Dec 27 2015, 11:09 PM
396   Dog teeth and syncro band looks like it past its l...   Dec 27 2015, 06:21 PM
Han Solo   Dog teeth and syncro band looks like it past its ...   Dec 27 2015, 09:04 PM
Bleyseng   I did the flipping years ago for AX and it was bar...   Dec 28 2015, 07:25 AM
Han Solo   Okay. I went in deep today and here's what I f...   Jan 1 2016, 07:55 PM
oldie914   You should not put the gear stack from the 2nd tra...   Jan 2 2016, 05:16 AM
Han Solo   You should not put the gear stack from the 2nd tr...   Jan 2 2016, 06:40 AM
oldie914   The gear cluster on the intermediate plate, ring/p...   Jan 2 2016, 07:47 AM
Han Solo   The gear cluster on the intermediate plate, ring/...   Jan 3 2016, 06:31 PM
J P Stein   That trans is in pain. The keys to a good shifting...   Jan 2 2016, 07:52 AM
sixaddict   Since there seems to be some knowledgeable subscri...   Jan 2 2016, 08:07 AM
J P Stein   Since there seems to be some knowledgeable subscr...   Jan 2 2016, 08:54 AM
r_towle   Since there seems to be some knowledgeable subscr...   Jan 2 2016, 08:15 PM
wndsrfr   Get another fifth gear and put it back in as fif...   Jan 2 2016, 08:51 PM
jmill   I am running out of rpms at top end on tracks wit...   Jan 2 2016, 10:51 AM
Dave_Darling   That's the easiest way to go. You can make ta...   Jan 2 2016, 07:43 PM
Van914   With a 3.0 stock gears are the way to go.   Jan 3 2016, 07:32 AM
sixaddict   Thanks for the gear input ....Couple of good thoug...   Jan 3 2016, 09:25 AM


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