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> I had a dream, It was about a 6
DavidSweden
post May 8 2021, 10:37 AM
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I had a dream to install a 6, that was a few years back and I even got a 2,2T motor but the project didn't get off the ground, anyway as I have run out of things to do I thought I might resurrect the idea.

According to the PO the motor came out of a running car and I want to make sure that it runs before I commit to installing it.

What do I need to do to get it running?
I do not have a spare gearbox for the starter or an oil tank is there an easy way to fire it up without (or using substitutes for) these parts and what about the electrics, there is a coil but I think I need more than that?
Any help much appreciated as I know nothing about these engines.
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It looks like the motor has been opened up at some time there is a lot of sealer on the case seam behind the flywheel, do you think its been opened?

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DavidSweden
post Jun 20 2021, 12:22 PM
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After the problems I discovered with the heads, I could not stop myself splitting the case and I found more problems.

The thrust bearing at the flywheel end was toast, big pieces missing, on the positive side there does not appear to be any damage to the case or crank. What would cause this type of bearing failure?

What was a bit worse was one that the number 6 bearing had rotated in the case, the oil hole in the bearing shell was full with what looked like metal (molten from the bearing?) and both bearing tags have cut into the case, there is also a round metal deposit on the bearing seat in the case (deposited through the oil hole in the bearing shell) this is probably more molten bearing metal?

Can anyone tell me how serious this damage is?

Thanks in advance.


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post Jun 20 2021, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(DavidSweden @ Jun 21 2021, 06:22 AM) *

After the problems I discovered with the heads, I could not stop myself splitting the case and I found more problems.

The thrust bearing at the flywheel end was toast, big pieces missing, on the positive side there does not appear to be any damage to the case or crank. What would cause this type of bearing failure?

What was a bit worse was one that the number 6 bearing had rotated in the case, the oil hole in the bearing shell was full with what looked like metal (molten from the bearing?) and both bearing tags have cut into the case, there is also a round metal deposit on the bearing seat in the case (deposited through the oil hole in the bearing shell) this is probably more molten bearing metal?

Can anyone tell me how serious this damage is?

Thanks in advance.


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Oh dear not what you were expecting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ,there was talk on Pelican a while back about a bad batch of Glyco bearing which were delaminating the white metal as per your issue,it was said that the top engine builders in the US stopped using them and went Federal Mogal brand if memory serves me.
This issue was occurring in a rather sort period of time ,to me it looks like white metal has migrated to the bearing that has spun,biggest problem here is all that crap has gone thru the engine ,I would expect the oil pump with be damaged and the oil cooler will full of it not to mention other area's of concern.
Personally I would look for another shortblock as the cost to remedy that case could end up to be very expensive,most likely better not to go there as a replacement may only require a line bore and oversize bearings.
Sorry to see you have this issue,good luck.
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DavidSweden   I had a dream   May 8 2021, 10:37 AM
roblav1   Definitely been opened. Looks like wrong sealant.   May 8 2021, 03:46 PM
ClayPerrine   To run the motor out of a car you will need: 1. O...   May 8 2021, 04:13 PM
infraredcalvin   Set valves Perform a leak down Rebuild carbs If al...   May 9 2021, 01:15 AM
Mark Henry   The case half sealant looks like permatex aviation...   May 9 2021, 04:47 AM
Retroracer   Agree with Mark Henrys guidance and Clays list. D...   May 9 2021, 10:38 AM
infraredcalvin   I have a somewhat dumb but relevant question.... ...   May 9 2021, 10:54 AM
Mark Henry   Numbers are useless at this point, all I'd be ...   May 9 2021, 11:47 AM
DavidSweden   Many thanks to all members for the good advice, it...   May 9 2021, 11:47 AM
Mark Henry   Yes that works, bolt it up. IIRC the 914 ones wer...   May 9 2021, 11:59 AM
Retroracer   RE: Flywheel - the asymmetric bolt pattern means i...   May 9 2021, 12:50 PM
infraredcalvin   Thanks for the responses, I was just in a similar ...   May 9 2021, 01:43 PM
DavidSweden   I have started to check over the 911T engine befor...   May 16 2021, 10:52 AM
horizontally-opposed   Unfortunately the results were worse than terrib...   May 16 2021, 11:09 AM
mepstein   Do a top end on the engine. Not crazy expensive an...   May 16 2021, 11:57 AM
flyer86d   I agree with Pete and Mark. Get the heads done, ge...   May 16 2021, 03:01 PM
rgalla9146   The engine pictured went from 1. 137 ...   May 16 2021, 03:15 PM
mepstein   Listen to Rory. Doesn’t hurt to try.   May 16 2021, 03:39 PM
horizontally-opposed   Listen to Rory. Doesn’t hurt to try. :agree:   May 16 2021, 06:11 PM
porschetub   My 2.2t engine started like that after sitting 18y...   May 16 2021, 09:35 PM
Optimusglen   There are some 2.2T heads in the classifieds right...   May 17 2021, 05:53 AM
DavidSweden   Thanks for sharing all the good advice/knowledge I...   May 23 2021, 02:05 PM
mb911   Looks like it needed some new seals anyway   May 24 2021, 06:34 AM
Retroracer   I think you did the right thing FWIW. Lots of car...   May 24 2021, 01:05 PM
mepstein   I think you did the right thing FWIW. Lots of ca...   May 24 2021, 01:56 PM
DavidSweden   After the problems I discovered with the heads, I ...   Jun 20 2021, 12:22 PM
porschetub   After the problems I discovered with the heads, I...   Jun 20 2021, 02:55 PM
mepstein   Get a quote from your machine shop and go from the...   Jun 20 2021, 03:34 PM
Retroracer   Get a quote from your machine shop and go from th...   Jun 20 2021, 08:56 PM
porschetub   Get a quote from your machine shop and go from th...   Jun 20 2021, 10:49 PM
sixnotfour   Rod Bearings have to be worse...   Jun 20 2021, 04:19 PM
Shivers   Well bummer, sorry dude. I love those little short...   Jun 20 2021, 04:45 PM
ClayPerrine   The 2.2T is a mag case, so I would consider it a d...   Jun 20 2021, 06:59 PM
DavidSweden   Bad news from the machine shop it looks like the 2...   Jul 8 2021, 11:32 AM
mepstein   I’m pretty sure I have one. I’ll check at the ...   Jul 8 2021, 12:25 PM
ClayPerrine   I have a serviceable 2.4T crankcase. The only dif...   Jul 8 2021, 12:44 PM
Mark Henry   Get the case sent to Ollie's (etc) while it...   Jul 8 2021, 02:58 PM


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