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> 1973 914 2.0 with only 5894 miles "shown"
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post Aug 5 2022, 02:48 PM
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Dubious if the car has 5894 original miles...

https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/1973-pors...arga-c-4254.htm

Short video of the outside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cAVkUUa1Xs

Has the VIN listed as "473291972" but assuming they mean 4732901972 which isn't in the VIN database.

Has the front euro turn signal lenses and the kit to relocate the parking light to the bottom, so some previous owner was detail oriented lol..
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post Aug 6 2022, 12:09 AM
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It looks like a clean car (from the limited pictures anyways), but...

Who puts an aftermarket reflector, a rusty bursch exhaust, removes the rear trunk springs and swaps out the heat exchangers on a 6k mile car?

Also:
looks like the ignition tumbler has been swapped out.
Seems to be some questionable wiring hanging down by the trans and along the lower firewall.

and is that overspray i see on the drives door VIN sticker?

Quite a few other things seem off as well. i dont buy that its only been driven 6k miles.

106k maybe... maybe

"arguably the best in the world"??? Im not seeing a very strong argument
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post Aug 6 2022, 01:26 AM
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Who puts an aftermarket reflector, ............ on a 6k mile car?




just about everyone in the 70s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i'd say its been on there since new or near new.

(fortunately it was not done to mine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

the car was sold on BAT a couple of years back.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-914-54/

current pricing not substantially different to what present owner bought it for.
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post Aug 6 2022, 01:53 AM
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i don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes on the 6 K miles.
more that its done 6K since a substantial restoration. it hasn't done a lot since 99/early 2000s when you read comments in BAT ad.

the BAT ad is interesting as it implies the rear reflector was fitted as part of a "special dealer package" when the car was new!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) pretty funny that the dealers were tarting them up like that. if you look close the rear trunk lock is drilled through the reflector which is very unusual. most later aftermarket installs used a remote release.
also came with the bursch exhaust. all is not what it seems. ie its actually original from the showroom - maybe not factory, but showroom - (but restored).

looks to be an ok car.

its a 1.7 not a 2.0
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Aug 5 2022, 11:53 PM) *

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i don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes on the 6 K miles.
more that its done 6K since a substantial restoration. it hasn't done a lot since 99/early 2000s when you read comments in BAT ad.

the BAT ad is interesting as it implies the rear reflector was fitted as part of a "special dealer package" when the car was new!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) pretty funny that the dealers were tarting them up like that. if you look close the rear trunk lock is drilled through the reflector which is very unusual. most later aftermarket installs used a remote release.
also came with the bursch exhaust. all is not what it seems. ie its actually original from the showroom - maybe not factory, but showroom - (but restored).

looks to be an ok car.

its a 1.7 not a 2.0


Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.
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post Aug 6 2022, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Aug 6 2022, 09:53 AM) *


Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.



I was thinking the same about the owners club of southern California letter — looks like it's printed on a laser printer in Times New Roman. Criminal that someone would go to the trouble of creating a fake history for this car.

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QUOTE(JamesM @ Aug 6 2022, 09:53 AM) *


Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.



I was thinking the same about the owners club of southern California letter — looks like it's printed on a laser printer in Times New Roman. Criminal that someone would go to the trouble of creating a fake history for this car.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.diamondmotorworks.com-21899-1659818205.1.jpg)


yep
was a world of ollivetti typewriters back then.

interesting about the dick barbour porsche thing.

can understand it would be a replacement bursch exhaust when restored.
but that the window ad is fake. real interesting.

on + side current seller is not trying to hide front right corner replacement.
(or more total front replacement???)
conveniently concealed in older BAT ad by not going there with photos.

what is most amusing is that pebble beach organisers didn't have a clue back in 99?

excellent sleuthing gentlemen. it would have taken me about another 5 days to work out what you guys have noticed. i've just remembered we did not get a photocopier at university until i was in second year. let me think. ----1979? whoever did the letter was using the old cut and paste. guess he didn't have photoshop on his 486 in 1999.
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perrysan   1973 914 2.0 with only 5894 miles "shown"   Aug 5 2022, 02:48 PM
Rob-O   Actually looks like 4732919172…except for the ta...   Aug 5 2022, 10:10 PM
JamesM   It looks like a clean car (from the limited pictur...   Aug 6 2022, 12:09 AM
wonkipop   Who puts an aftermarket reflector, ...............   Aug 6 2022, 01:26 AM
wonkipop   ps i don't think anyone is trying to pull the...   Aug 6 2022, 01:53 AM
JamesM   ps i don't think anyone is trying to pull th...   Aug 6 2022, 10:53 AM
Superhawk996   Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now...   Aug 6 2022, 11:14 AM
JamesM   :headbanger: Nice! Now in going back an...   Aug 6 2022, 11:36 AM
JamesM   Sure would be awesome if we have an offset print...   Aug 6 2022, 12:12 PM
JamesM   More time machine action going on here... Or mayb...   Aug 6 2022, 11:29 AM
nathanxnathan   Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now ...   Aug 6 2022, 02:36 PM
wonkipop   Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now...   Aug 6 2022, 03:49 PM
JamesM   on + side current seller is not trying to hide f...   Aug 6 2022, 04:31 PM
JoeD   Yep - actually shows that the dealer added the ref...   Aug 6 2022, 08:42 AM
JamesM   :WTF: is that a socket?   Aug 6 2022, 12:14 AM
ejm   :WTF: is that a socket? May be the connecto...   Aug 6 2022, 04:12 AM
Cairo94507   I am more concerned about the apparent VIN mis-mat...   Aug 6 2022, 07:04 AM
Puebloswatcop   It looks like a nice car, however this car would n...   Aug 6 2022, 07:27 AM
Superhawk996   :rotfl: I honestly never thought I'd live to...   Aug 6 2022, 08:02 AM
Superhawk996   Bueller . . . Bueller . . . . Anyone? Yeah . ...   Aug 6 2022, 08:08 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   yup wiped out from the right side, pulled back out...   Aug 6 2022, 01:44 PM
JamesM   yup wiped out from the right side, pulled back ou...   Aug 6 2022, 02:09 PM
SirAndy   yup wiped out from the right side, pulled back out...   Aug 6 2022, 04:39 PM
Jett   Was at a shop yesterday and saw a 74 2.0 in orange...   Aug 6 2022, 08:10 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   this 914 is LOADED with miles   Aug 6 2022, 09:41 AM
Aerostatwv   Isn't that a 120mph 72 or older speedo?   Aug 6 2022, 10:26 AM
aturboman   Isn't that a 120mph 72 or older speedo? Yes...   Aug 7 2022, 04:03 PM
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porschetub   [quote name='aturboman' post='3021067' date='Aug ...   Aug 7 2022, 07:34 PM
JamesM   I cant stop looking at this mess now Quality job ...   Aug 6 2022, 12:33 PM
wonkipop   I cant stop looking at this mess now Quality job...   Aug 6 2022, 04:11 PM
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wonkipop   gone are the days when everyone poopooed me for t...   Aug 6 2022, 04:03 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Aug 6 2022, 05:13 PM
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wonkipop   @JamesM its pretty hard to find out anything abo...   Aug 6 2022, 05:24 PM
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