1973 914 2.0 with only 5894 miles "shown" Options

[perrysan]

Dubious if the car has 5894 original miles...

https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/1973-pors...arga-c-4254.htm

Short video of the outside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cAVkUUa1Xs

Has the VIN listed as "473291972" but assuming they mean 4732901972 which isn't in the VIN database.

Has the front euro turn signal lenses and the kit to relocate the parking light to the bottom, so some previous owner was detail oriented lol..

[JamesM]

It looks like a clean car (from the limited pictures anyways), but...

Who puts an aftermarket reflector, a rusty bursch exhaust, removes the rear trunk springs and swaps out the heat exchangers on a 6k mile car?

Also:
looks like the ignition tumbler has been swapped out.
Seems to be some questionable wiring hanging down by the trans and along the lower firewall.

and is that overspray i see on the drives door VIN sticker?

Quite a few other things seem off as well. i dont buy that its only been driven 6k miles.

106k maybe... maybe

"arguably the best in the world"??? Im not seeing a very strong argument

[wonkipop]

Who puts an aftermarket reflector, ............ on a 6k mile car?

just about everyone in the 70s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i'd say its been on there since new or near new.

(fortunately it was not done to mine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

the car was sold on BAT a couple of years back.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-914-54/

current pricing not substantially different to what present owner bought it for.

[wonkipop]

ps

i don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes on the 6 K miles.
more that its done 6K since a substantial restoration. it hasn't done a lot since 99/early 2000s when you read comments in BAT ad.

the BAT ad is interesting as it implies the rear reflector was fitted as part of a "special dealer package" when the car was new!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) pretty funny that the dealers were tarting them up like that. if you look close the rear trunk lock is drilled through the reflector which is very unusual. most later aftermarket installs used a remote release.
also came with the bursch exhaust. all is not what it seems. ie its actually original from the showroom - maybe not factory, but showroom - (but restored).

looks to be an ok car.

its a 1.7 not a 2.0

[JamesM]

ps

i don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes on the 6 K miles.
more that its done 6K since a substantial restoration. it hasn't done a lot since 99/early 2000s when you read comments in BAT ad.

the BAT ad is interesting as it implies the rear reflector was fitted as part of a "special dealer package" when the car was new!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) pretty funny that the dealers were tarting them up like that. if you look close the rear trunk lock is drilled through the reflector which is very unusual. most later aftermarket installs used a remote release.
also came with the bursch exhaust. all is not what it seems. ie its actually original from the showroom - maybe not factory, but showroom - (but restored).

looks to be an ok car.

its a 1.7 not a 2.0

Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.

[nathanxnathan]

Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.

I was thinking the same about the owners club of southern California letter — looks like it's printed on a laser printer in Times New Roman. Criminal that someone would go to the trouble of creating a fake history for this car.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.diamondmotorworks.com-21899-1659818205.1.jpg)

[wonkipop]

Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.

I was thinking the same about the owners club of southern California letter — looks like it's printed on a laser printer in Times New Roman. Criminal that someone would go to the trouble of creating a fake history for this car.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.diamondmotorworks.com-21899-1659818205.1.jpg)

yep
was a world of ollivetti typewriters back then.

interesting about the dick barbour porsche thing.

can understand it would be a replacement bursch exhaust when restored.
but that the window ad is fake. real interesting.

on + side current seller is not trying to hide front right corner replacement.
(or more total front replacement???)
conveniently concealed in older BAT ad by not going there with photos.

what is most amusing is that pebble beach organisers didn't have a clue back in 99?

excellent sleuthing gentlemen. it would have taken me about another 5 days to work out what you guys have noticed. i've just remembered we did not get a photocopier at university until i was in second year. let me think. ----1979? whoever did the letter was using the old cut and paste. guess he didn't have photoshop on his 486 in 1999.

[JamesM]

on + side current seller is not trying to hide front right corner replacement.
(or more total front replacement???)
conveniently concealed in older BAT ad by not going there with photos.

Im wondering if they just didn't notice it as they did seem to strategically leave out a lot of other standard shots (that were in the BAT auction) that give away the history/condition of the car. (battery tray shots from the BAT auction showing clear overspray and weld repairs to the rear trunk hinge piviot, anything showing the size of the engine that was also not mentioned in the ad, etc)

Given their careful wording in the ad and selective representation of the car in the photos I was curious if the dealer themselves were involved in the initial forgery or if they are just passing along a bad deal...

So my wife reached out to them with interest in the car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Long story sort still dont know if they are part of the fraud or just got caught in a bad deal, but they do seem to be very careful about directly incriminating themselves while at the same time hiding the reality of this car. They answered my wifes first question about the motor size and did state it to be a 1.7 but follow up questions around condition/history and they just outright stopped talking to her.

Notice how they dont directly state anything in the ad text itself. rather just post pictures of (most likely fake documents) of someone else saying how original and amazing the car is. SUPER fishy

i suspect they are looking to drop this on a sucker sight unseen who doesent ask questions.

what is most amusing is that pebble beach organisers didn't have a clue back in 99?

Given all the other BS and forgery surrounding this car I have to wonder the legitimacy of that claim as well. Also worth noting only the BAT ad states:

"The seller reports that the car was invited to participate in the 1999 Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance, and a badge affixed to the dashboard is depicted above."

Which again was just the statement from the seller and the current seller doesn't mention that at all. Also that was 23 years ago, the car could have been in perfect condition back then? Who knows. My guess though is that the badge on the dash is just more added flair to try and represent this car as something it is not.

because they dont seem super hard to come by
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204015680353?hash=...%3ABFBMhou41M5g


Unless someone out there has documentation or photographic evidence of the car being there. I was unable to find anything to substantiate the claim.