Calafornia Road Charge Options

[73-914]

Sounds like a great way for EV's to pay their fair share

[burton73]

From California’s own Road Charge site


Best Bob B

[nathanxnathan]

From California’s own Road Charge site


Best Bob B

Just a little research on that as it makes no sense, "The standard calculation is that road wear goes up as the square (conservatively; fourth power is well documented for heavy trucks) of the weight. So the Hummer (9500 lbs) causes about 100 times the damage of a Prius (3000 lbs). Even at the conservative second power, it causes 10 times as much damage. Heavier vehicles of course also require that bridges be built for heavier loads, increasing their built cost as well as maintenance."

according to this articlehttps://gettingaroundsac.blog/2023/12/16/road-charge/

Hard to swallow that it would be the same. Easier to believe 10x or even 100x imo

[SirAndy]

Hard to swallow that it would be the same

I think what they are really trying to say here is that anything under 10k pounds is peanuts compared to a loaded semi truck (40k-80k).
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[nathanxnathan]

Hard to swallow that it would be the same

I think what they are really trying to say here is that anything under 10k pounds is peanuts compared to a loaded semi truck (40k-80k).
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That makes some sense. Here's a chart to sort of back that up — 18,000 lb big rig compared to an 8500 lb Hummer — does 20x as much damage.



My VW Golf is about 3000 lb though, according to the same chart is doing a 64th the damage of the Hummer.

So I propose I pay $1 road charge, hummer guy pays $65, big rig company pays $1213 — per 10,000 miles. Seems fair?

[mate914]

Hard to swallow that it would be the same

I think what they are really trying to say here is that anything under 10k pounds is peanuts compared to a loaded semi truck (40k-80k).
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That makes some sense. Here's a chart to sort of back that up — 18,000 lb big rig compared to an 8500 lb Hummer — does 20x as much damage.



My VW Golf is about 3000 lb though, according to the same chart is doing a 64th the damage of the Hummer.

So I propose I pay $1 road charge, hummer guy pays $65, big rig company pays $1213 — per 10,000 miles. Seems fair?

Have any idea what that would do to your price for groceries?
Matt

[VaccaRabite]

Have any idea what that would do to your price for groceries?
Matt

IF (and this is a BIG IF) a use fee is done correctly, truckers should be paying no more in the use tax then they are in fuel tax.

But that is assuming that the fuel taxes are REMOVED, and its not just an additional tax.

Zach

[ClayPerrine]

Have any idea what that would do to your price for groceries?
Matt

IF (and this is a BIG IF) a use fee is done correctly, truckers should be paying no more in the use tax then they are in fuel tax.

But that is assuming that the fuel taxes are REMOVED, and its not just an additional tax.

Zach

I normally refrain from commenting on anything even vaguely political, for obvious reasons.

But I will say this. No politician, left or right, will remove any tax that gets the state/federal government money. In 1964, the feds implemented the "chicken tax" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax) on trucks because France and West Germany put a tax on imported US Chicken. It is still in effect. It's stupid, and deprives the US of some really nice light trucks.


So dreaming about getting the fuel taxes removed is a pipe dream. They will just add road use taxes to existing tax infrastructure.