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> Michellin sucks, -ruined the USGP
seanery
post Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) I can't believe it. WTF. Michellin, in it's 6th year here, can't create a tire that will will finish the race? WTF.

NO FRENCHIE FUCKING TIRES FOR ANY OF MY CARS!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)
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post Jun 20 2005, 02:45 PM
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From the FIA's website:

2005 UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX
20.06.2005


Formula One is a sporting contest. It must operate to clear rules. These cannot be negotiated each time a competitor brings the wrong equipment to a race.

At Indianapolis we were told by Michelin that their tyres would be unsafe unless their cars were slowed in the main corner. We understood and among other suggestions offered to help them by monitoring speeds and penalising any excess. However, the Michelin teams refused to agree unless the Bridgestone runners were slowed by the same amount. They suggested a chicane.

The Michelin teams seemed unable to understand that this would have been grossly unfair as well as contrary to the rules. The Bridgestone teams had suitable tyres. They did not need to slow down. The Michelin teams’ lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One. It must also be remembered that the FIA wrote to all of the teams and both tyre manufacturers on June 1, 2005, to emphasise that “tyres should be built to be reliable under all circumstances” (see correspondence attached).

A chicane would have forced all cars, including those with tyres optimised for high-speed, to run on a circuit whose characteristics had changed fundamentally – from ultra-high speed (because of turn 13) to very slow and twisting. It would also have involved changing the circuit without following any of the modern safety procedures, possibly with implications for the cars and their brakes. It is not difficult to imagine the reaction of an American court had there been an accident (whatever its cause) with the FIA having to admit it had failed to follow its own rules and safety procedures.

The reason for this debacle is clear. Each team is allowed to bring two types of tyre: one an on-the-limit potential race winner, the other a back-up which, although slower, is absolutely reliable. Apparently, none of the Michelin teams brought a back-up to Indianapolis. They subsequently announced they were flying in new tyres from France but then claimed that these too were unsafe.

What about the American fans? What about Formula One fans world-wide? Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13. The rules would have been kept, they would have earned Championship points and the fans would have had a race. As it is, by refusing to run unless the FIA broke the rules and handicapped the Bridgestone runners, they have damaged themselves and the sport.

It should also be made clear that Formula One Management and Indianapolis Motor Speedway, as commercial entities, can have no role in the enforcement of the rules.

To read the correspondence between the FIA and all of the teams and both tyre manufacturers on June 1 & 2, 2005, please Click Here.

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seanery   Michellin sucks   Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
Thorshammer   Is it Michelin or Ecclestone or Max Mosley with th...   Jun 19 2005, 12:26 PM
Jeroen   Yes, Michelin f-ed up BIG TIME... but IMO it's...   Jun 19 2005, 12:43 PM
TimT   Did ya notice Speed is still running the Michelin ...   Jun 19 2005, 01:08 PM
lapuwali   Completely agree. This is down to Max and Bernie....   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
serge914   From what I understand Ferrari is the only that di...   Jun 19 2005, 01:20 PM
Thorshammer   Serge, What are your sources?? Because I just got...   Jun 19 2005, 01:53 PM
Britain Smith   ...   Jun 19 2005, 02:17 PM
serge914   According to the Canadian television, Radio Canada...   Jun 19 2005, 02:24 PM
Thorshammer   Thanks for the source! But the track has been...   Jun 19 2005, 02:44 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/...   Jun 19 2005, 02:58 PM
Mrs. K     Jun 19 2005, 03:46 PM
racejoe   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 04:32 PM
goose2  
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Jeroen  
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J P Stein     Jun 19 2005, 08:15 PM
F1rocco   Put In a Chicane......Come on....Give me a break.....   Jun 19 2005, 08:36 PM
redshift   I haven't had one of their tires since maybe x...   Jun 19 2005, 08:38 PM
cdmcse   Well guys I was at the GP all weekend and let me t...   Jun 19 2005, 09:28 PM
Thorshammer   I don't quite understand your post. And please...   Jun 19 2005, 09:49 PM
jimtab     Jun 19 2005, 09:57 PM
mudfoot76     Jun 19 2005, 10:09 PM
mihai914   IMHO, it's all about politics. Point is nobody...   Jun 19 2005, 10:22 PM
seanery   Michellin bears full responsibility for what happe...   Jun 19 2005, 10:28 PM
mihai914     Jun 19 2005, 10:37 PM
jimtab   He really did....what an assbag.   Jun 19 2005, 10:50 PM
redshift   Calm down Lisa, he was refering to the gimp he dre...   Jun 19 2005, 11:02 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jun 19 2005, 11:07 PM
lapuwali   While Michelin f-ed up, it was clearly the FIA and...   Jun 19 2005, 11:45 PM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 20 2005, 03:54 AM
F1rocco   Penalize them...Most of them wouldnt be able to fi...   Jun 20 2005, 06:26 AM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 20 2005, 06:35 AM
redshift   Well... they should have run... slower..   Jun 20 2005, 11:07 AM
lapuwali   More from Autosport: according to a phone intervie...   Jun 20 2005, 11:29 AM
serge914   Bottom line, is F-1 a sport or a show/business? ...   Jun 20 2005, 11:41 AM
DNHunt   James I'll stand by what I said. Granted raci...   Jun 20 2005, 12:26 PM
lapuwali     Jun 20 2005, 01:12 PM
mudfoot76   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:20 PM
Cap'n Krusty   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:50 PM
serge914   Just imagine how many millions Japanese and Asians...   Jun 20 2005, 02:25 PM
jhadler   Big Show... Big Bussiness... Big Ego's... I...   Jun 20 2005, 02:33 PM
seanery   From the FIA's website: 2005 UNITED STATES GR...   Jun 20 2005, 02:45 PM
Jeroen   Yep, I read that one... Interesting read! Cle...   Jun 20 2005, 03:03 PM
seanery   actually, it's not a concrete barrier there, i...   Jun 20 2005, 03:46 PM
anthony   So can some explain to me why adding a chicane to ...   Jun 20 2005, 05:27 PM
TimT  
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black73   This incident reminds me of the NASCAR tire wars a...   Jun 20 2005, 06:08 PM
Thorshammer   Okay bitches I'm back! Lapi, Some of wha...   Jun 20 2005, 06:45 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 20 2005, 06:58 PM
TimT   Michelin tires were on the the 1-2 finishing cars ...   Jun 20 2005, 07:05 PM
!   Simple, Michelin+French=surrender.... Next questi...   Jun 20 2005, 07:15 PM
lapuwali   Erik, regardless of whether Bernie sold the TV ri...   Jun 20 2005, 08:55 PM
seanery   the only teams that "bent" were the Michellin team...   Jun 20 2005, 09:13 PM
Thorshammer   Due diligence is testing at all circuits by differ...   Jun 20 2005, 09:37 PM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 21 2005, 07:05 AM
mudfoot76   In spite of being bitter about this whole situatio...   Jun 21 2005, 07:49 AM
rhodyguy   how you guys can even endure sitting through a com...   Jun 21 2005, 08:19 AM
lapuwali   <...   Jun 21 2005, 08:25 AM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 21 2005, 08:44 AM
rhodyguy   i'll be booking a flight promptly then. do the...   Jun 21 2005, 08:48 AM
Jeroen   yeah, but they don't come with english subtitl...   Jun 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Thorshammer   Jeroen, Just take him window shopping and he wil...   Jun 21 2005, 09:19 AM
rhodyguy   btdt, 1976. all i did was window shop. i was datin...   Jun 21 2005, 09:31 AM
Jeroen   read em and weep http://www.914w...   Jun 22 2005, 10:33 AM
J P Stein     Jun 22 2005, 12:58 PM
Mueller   sorta OT...anyone have this book?? Ferrari Form...   Jun 22 2005, 01:40 PM
maf914   <...   Jun 22 2005, 01:55 PM
groot     Jun 22 2005, 01:56 PM
F1rocco   What was it like 6 Michelin teams that boycotted t...   Jun 22 2005, 02:02 PM
F1rocco   Minardi Do I need to say anymore.....   Jun 22 2005, 02:10 PM
jhadler   I can't say I think anyone directly involved i...   Jun 22 2005, 02:26 PM
lapuwali   It was Texas World Speedway. Super high banking w...   Jun 22 2005, 03:51 PM
davesprinkle   Actually, it was Texas Motor Speedway. Not trying...   Jun 22 2005, 07:32 PM
F1rocco   ...   Jun 22 2005, 10:03 PM
goose2   Michelin to offer US GP refunds From the BBC webs...   Jun 28 2005, 03:34 PM
lapuwali   Michelin is really doing the stand-up thing here. ...   Jun 28 2005, 03:46 PM
larryp   Yeah, Max will be in full tyrant mode tomorrow but...   Jun 28 2005, 08:36 PM
seanery   well, that's the first thing Michellin has don...   Jun 29 2005, 09:53 AM


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