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> Michellin sucks, -ruined the USGP
seanery
post Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) I can't believe it. WTF. Michellin, in it's 6th year here, can't create a tire that will will finish the race? WTF.

NO FRENCHIE FUCKING TIRES FOR ANY OF MY CARS!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)
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post Jun 20 2005, 06:45 PM
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Okay bitches I'm back!

Lapi,

Some of what you say is true, a few things that are not:
Ecclefuck sold the TV rights after one season of lower profits. He sold the rights to a group of bankers as you say for a PROFIT, not because he had to.

American lawyers??, What The Fuck? Do you know the Italians are still trying to hang someones ass for Ayrton Senna's death, please, The entire world has gotten entrenched in legal ramblings (Jeroen, the netherlands isn't any better) so someone can pay, bottom line racing is dangerous, and you can die doing it. Read The bottom of my post. We are living in a world of people that just can't take responsibility for their own actions.

As for this weekends debacle. many of you make good points and many of you are rationalizing occurances to make your point fact. There are many issues here.

1. Did Michelin perform "due diligence"in testing their tires at this facility. Answer NO, they did not send any top teams to Indy to test.

2.Did Bridgestone send proper test teams, yes. How do I know this, their tire did not blow up!!!!

3. Was Michelin's primary tire ready for competition? NO. Was their back up tire ready for competition, NO.

4. Was Bridgestones work completed and did their tire perform as designed, YES

This sums this entire problem up in these Q&A. Anything else is Bullshit. It's like saying "I didn't do my homework last night, so can I have the class period to do it and still get full credit" I would hope the answer is "NO"

Some of you are saying the FIA is the culprit?

1. Did the FIA design the tires that would not last the race, NO

2. Did the FIA give Michelin options so they could race, YES. Either slow down in turn 13 or bring your cars in before the Michelin engineers have indicated the tire will fail, and change it. We (FIA)will allow you to do this, WITHOUT PENALTY!.

3. Did the FIA enforce it's rules as written, YES

4. Regardless if all the teams asked for the chicane, two reasons it is impossible. a. The insurance for the event will be set in stone as for the confirguration, this is not changeable. b.It is not fair to the competing teams that did their homework and came prepared. How would you like to be Mike that did your homework, when Johnny did not, Then because Johnny did not do his, the teacher changed the test, You would be Bullshit, and so would I. I don't care who was watching/spectating the test.

As for the teams, they have one entity to blame, Michelin, they are the start, they have all the blame, they ARE RESPONSIBLE. Thinking anything else is assinine. As for Coulthard, only guy in the whole paddock with a set of balls.

One last thing: Last year during the Road Atlanta AMA superbike race, it was a known fact that the Dunlops on Mat Mladins Suzuki GSXR1000 would not go the distance, Mat raced anyway, and had a blow out at over 170 mph. He rode it out and survived with no injuries, he was lucky, now thats a racer, whether you like him or not, makes no difference, he is willing to sacrifice everything to win. Carl Fogarty was asked many years ago, "are the any hard men in World Superbike"? "No, well maybe Jim Moodie." Fogarty said, "don't get me wrong, there's alot of PURSE THROWING, but no hard men".This sums up most of the pretty boys in F1, sans a few.

Last LAST thing: No one has spoken of the significant rumors about a breakaway of teams from the FIA. Maybe this is just the beginning. And this revolt is only the start. As for Michelin ruining thousands of peoples USGP, they did, I will have zero ability to make this right for anyone. However, my only way to communicate with Michelin is to not buy their product. And this is my course of action. If fact, I just ordered a new set of Bridgestones for my sisters Accord about 3 hours ago. She was do for them, The old tires, Michelin.


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seanery   Michellin sucks   Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
Thorshammer   Is it Michelin or Ecclestone or Max Mosley with th...   Jun 19 2005, 12:26 PM
Jeroen   Yes, Michelin f-ed up BIG TIME... but IMO it's...   Jun 19 2005, 12:43 PM
TimT   Did ya notice Speed is still running the Michelin ...   Jun 19 2005, 01:08 PM
lapuwali   Completely agree. This is down to Max and Bernie....   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
serge914   From what I understand Ferrari is the only that di...   Jun 19 2005, 01:20 PM
Thorshammer   Serge, What are your sources?? Because I just got...   Jun 19 2005, 01:53 PM
Britain Smith   ...   Jun 19 2005, 02:17 PM
serge914   According to the Canadian television, Radio Canada...   Jun 19 2005, 02:24 PM
Thorshammer   Thanks for the source! But the track has been...   Jun 19 2005, 02:44 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/...   Jun 19 2005, 02:58 PM
Mrs. K     Jun 19 2005, 03:46 PM
racejoe   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 04:32 PM
goose2  
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Jeroen  
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J P Stein     Jun 19 2005, 08:15 PM
F1rocco   Put In a Chicane......Come on....Give me a break.....   Jun 19 2005, 08:36 PM
redshift   I haven't had one of their tires since maybe x...   Jun 19 2005, 08:38 PM
cdmcse   Well guys I was at the GP all weekend and let me t...   Jun 19 2005, 09:28 PM
Thorshammer   I don't quite understand your post. And please...   Jun 19 2005, 09:49 PM
jimtab     Jun 19 2005, 09:57 PM
mudfoot76     Jun 19 2005, 10:09 PM
mihai914   IMHO, it's all about politics. Point is nobody...   Jun 19 2005, 10:22 PM
seanery   Michellin bears full responsibility for what happe...   Jun 19 2005, 10:28 PM
mihai914     Jun 19 2005, 10:37 PM
jimtab   He really did....what an assbag.   Jun 19 2005, 10:50 PM
redshift   Calm down Lisa, he was refering to the gimp he dre...   Jun 19 2005, 11:02 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jun 19 2005, 11:07 PM
lapuwali   While Michelin f-ed up, it was clearly the FIA and...   Jun 19 2005, 11:45 PM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 20 2005, 03:54 AM
F1rocco   Penalize them...Most of them wouldnt be able to fi...   Jun 20 2005, 06:26 AM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 20 2005, 06:35 AM
redshift   Well... they should have run... slower..   Jun 20 2005, 11:07 AM
lapuwali   More from Autosport: according to a phone intervie...   Jun 20 2005, 11:29 AM
serge914   Bottom line, is F-1 a sport or a show/business? ...   Jun 20 2005, 11:41 AM
DNHunt   James I'll stand by what I said. Granted raci...   Jun 20 2005, 12:26 PM
lapuwali     Jun 20 2005, 01:12 PM
mudfoot76   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:20 PM
Cap'n Krusty   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:50 PM
serge914   Just imagine how many millions Japanese and Asians...   Jun 20 2005, 02:25 PM
jhadler   Big Show... Big Bussiness... Big Ego's... I...   Jun 20 2005, 02:33 PM
seanery   From the FIA's website: 2005 UNITED STATES GR...   Jun 20 2005, 02:45 PM
Jeroen   Yep, I read that one... Interesting read! Cle...   Jun 20 2005, 03:03 PM
seanery   actually, it's not a concrete barrier there, i...   Jun 20 2005, 03:46 PM
anthony   So can some explain to me why adding a chicane to ...   Jun 20 2005, 05:27 PM
TimT  
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black73   This incident reminds me of the NASCAR tire wars a...   Jun 20 2005, 06:08 PM
Thorshammer   Okay bitches I'm back! Lapi, Some of wha...   Jun 20 2005, 06:45 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 20 2005, 06:58 PM
TimT   Michelin tires were on the the 1-2 finishing cars ...   Jun 20 2005, 07:05 PM
!   Simple, Michelin+French=surrender.... Next questi...   Jun 20 2005, 07:15 PM
lapuwali   Erik, regardless of whether Bernie sold the TV ri...   Jun 20 2005, 08:55 PM
seanery   the only teams that "bent" were the Michellin team...   Jun 20 2005, 09:13 PM
Thorshammer   Due diligence is testing at all circuits by differ...   Jun 20 2005, 09:37 PM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 21 2005, 07:05 AM
mudfoot76   In spite of being bitter about this whole situatio...   Jun 21 2005, 07:49 AM
rhodyguy   how you guys can even endure sitting through a com...   Jun 21 2005, 08:19 AM
lapuwali   <...   Jun 21 2005, 08:25 AM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 21 2005, 08:44 AM
rhodyguy   i'll be booking a flight promptly then. do the...   Jun 21 2005, 08:48 AM
Jeroen   yeah, but they don't come with english subtitl...   Jun 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Thorshammer   Jeroen, Just take him window shopping and he wil...   Jun 21 2005, 09:19 AM
rhodyguy   btdt, 1976. all i did was window shop. i was datin...   Jun 21 2005, 09:31 AM
Jeroen   read em and weep http://www.914w...   Jun 22 2005, 10:33 AM
J P Stein     Jun 22 2005, 12:58 PM
Mueller   sorta OT...anyone have this book?? Ferrari Form...   Jun 22 2005, 01:40 PM
maf914   <...   Jun 22 2005, 01:55 PM
groot     Jun 22 2005, 01:56 PM
F1rocco   What was it like 6 Michelin teams that boycotted t...   Jun 22 2005, 02:02 PM
F1rocco   Minardi Do I need to say anymore.....   Jun 22 2005, 02:10 PM
jhadler   I can't say I think anyone directly involved i...   Jun 22 2005, 02:26 PM
lapuwali   It was Texas World Speedway. Super high banking w...   Jun 22 2005, 03:51 PM
davesprinkle   Actually, it was Texas Motor Speedway. Not trying...   Jun 22 2005, 07:32 PM
F1rocco   ...   Jun 22 2005, 10:03 PM
goose2   Michelin to offer US GP refunds From the BBC webs...   Jun 28 2005, 03:34 PM
lapuwali   Michelin is really doing the stand-up thing here. ...   Jun 28 2005, 03:46 PM
larryp   Yeah, Max will be in full tyrant mode tomorrow but...   Jun 28 2005, 08:36 PM
seanery   well, that's the first thing Michellin has don...   Jun 29 2005, 09:53 AM


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