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> Michellin sucks, -ruined the USGP
seanery
post Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) I can't believe it. WTF. Michellin, in it's 6th year here, can't create a tire that will will finish the race? WTF.

NO FRENCHIE FUCKING TIRES FOR ANY OF MY CARS!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)
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post Jun 20 2005, 08:55 PM
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Erik, regardless of whether Bernie sold the TV rights for a profit or not, he no longer controls them, and appears to have lost control of Mosley. Therefore, he's lost much of whatever control of F1 he used to enjoy.

As for the insurance angle on the chicane, this was never mentioned as a concern. Not only did the teams agree to a chicane, but Tony George and Bernie also agreed. I'm not entirely certain if the FIA even has insurance to indemnify them from action from the teams (only they would sue). The teams and each driver have their own insurance. The legal structure of the FIA basically requires that all teams agree to submit to arbitration, so the lawsuit threat is a pretty minor one.

There is, in fact, at least one precedent for a last-minute track change in adding a temp. chicane: Spa in 1994, at the foot of Eau Rouge. I forget the details of why it was added, but it was very much added at the last minute, and Bernie even brought this up during the discussions. This whole "we can negotiate the rules" business is horseshit, plain and simple.

Michelin wouldn't warrant the tires as safe, and that would have exposed the teams to potential legal action from the drivers (or their estates). No reason was given for the teams not accepting the tire changing offer. I don't accept the "just slow down" offer. That's just absurd. Slow down how much? For how long? No one knew the answer to this. No one really knew how long the tires would last at full speed either, which may be why the teams didn't accept the tire changing offer. Michelin may also have not brought enough tires to change even one left rear 6 times for 14 cars. Indeed, the FIA specifically enjoins the tire makers from bringing "too many" tires. The teams are, after all, only allowed to use two sets during the entire weekend, with two types allow, so four sets of tires per car. They'd already used one set for practice, so even with the extras flown in, Michelin may have only had another 4 sets for each car. We don't know how many they brought in (likely only one set per car, since presumably that would be all they'd need because of the one-tire rule), so even if they HAD accepted the tire changing, it's likely we would have had only 6 finishers, and perhaps a very serious accident or two along the way.

The "due diligence" angle is also invalid. NONE of the teams make test visits to EVERY track. Indeed, they're not ALLOWED to under the limited testing rules. Michelin doesn't make testing visits to all tracks, and neither do Bridgestone.

I don't excuse Michelin. They f-ed up, plain and simple. That's not the issue. The issue was how the FIA responded to an unprecented problem. In my view, they didn't have to bend very far to have a full grid, and the teams bent VERY far to try to make the race happen.
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seanery   Michellin sucks   Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
Thorshammer   Is it Michelin or Ecclestone or Max Mosley with th...   Jun 19 2005, 12:26 PM
Jeroen   Yes, Michelin f-ed up BIG TIME... but IMO it's...   Jun 19 2005, 12:43 PM
TimT   Did ya notice Speed is still running the Michelin ...   Jun 19 2005, 01:08 PM
lapuwali   Completely agree. This is down to Max and Bernie....   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
serge914   From what I understand Ferrari is the only that di...   Jun 19 2005, 01:20 PM
Thorshammer   Serge, What are your sources?? Because I just got...   Jun 19 2005, 01:53 PM
Britain Smith   ...   Jun 19 2005, 02:17 PM
serge914   According to the Canadian television, Radio Canada...   Jun 19 2005, 02:24 PM
Thorshammer   Thanks for the source! But the track has been...   Jun 19 2005, 02:44 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/...   Jun 19 2005, 02:58 PM
Mrs. K     Jun 19 2005, 03:46 PM
racejoe   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 04:32 PM
goose2  
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Jeroen  
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J P Stein     Jun 19 2005, 08:15 PM
F1rocco   Put In a Chicane......Come on....Give me a break.....   Jun 19 2005, 08:36 PM
redshift   I haven't had one of their tires since maybe x...   Jun 19 2005, 08:38 PM
cdmcse   Well guys I was at the GP all weekend and let me t...   Jun 19 2005, 09:28 PM
Thorshammer   I don't quite understand your post. And please...   Jun 19 2005, 09:49 PM
jimtab     Jun 19 2005, 09:57 PM
mudfoot76     Jun 19 2005, 10:09 PM
mihai914   IMHO, it's all about politics. Point is nobody...   Jun 19 2005, 10:22 PM
seanery   Michellin bears full responsibility for what happe...   Jun 19 2005, 10:28 PM
mihai914     Jun 19 2005, 10:37 PM
jimtab   He really did....what an assbag.   Jun 19 2005, 10:50 PM
redshift   Calm down Lisa, he was refering to the gimp he dre...   Jun 19 2005, 11:02 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jun 19 2005, 11:07 PM
lapuwali   While Michelin f-ed up, it was clearly the FIA and...   Jun 19 2005, 11:45 PM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 20 2005, 03:54 AM
F1rocco   Penalize them...Most of them wouldnt be able to fi...   Jun 20 2005, 06:26 AM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 20 2005, 06:35 AM
redshift   Well... they should have run... slower..   Jun 20 2005, 11:07 AM
lapuwali   More from Autosport: according to a phone intervie...   Jun 20 2005, 11:29 AM
serge914   Bottom line, is F-1 a sport or a show/business? ...   Jun 20 2005, 11:41 AM
DNHunt   James I'll stand by what I said. Granted raci...   Jun 20 2005, 12:26 PM
lapuwali     Jun 20 2005, 01:12 PM
mudfoot76   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:20 PM
Cap'n Krusty   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:50 PM
serge914   Just imagine how many millions Japanese and Asians...   Jun 20 2005, 02:25 PM
jhadler   Big Show... Big Bussiness... Big Ego's... I...   Jun 20 2005, 02:33 PM
seanery   From the FIA's website: 2005 UNITED STATES GR...   Jun 20 2005, 02:45 PM
Jeroen   Yep, I read that one... Interesting read! Cle...   Jun 20 2005, 03:03 PM
seanery   actually, it's not a concrete barrier there, i...   Jun 20 2005, 03:46 PM
anthony   So can some explain to me why adding a chicane to ...   Jun 20 2005, 05:27 PM
TimT  
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black73   This incident reminds me of the NASCAR tire wars a...   Jun 20 2005, 06:08 PM
Thorshammer   Okay bitches I'm back! Lapi, Some of wha...   Jun 20 2005, 06:45 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 20 2005, 06:58 PM
TimT   Michelin tires were on the the 1-2 finishing cars ...   Jun 20 2005, 07:05 PM
!   Simple, Michelin+French=surrender.... Next questi...   Jun 20 2005, 07:15 PM
lapuwali   Erik, regardless of whether Bernie sold the TV ri...   Jun 20 2005, 08:55 PM
seanery   the only teams that "bent" were the Michellin team...   Jun 20 2005, 09:13 PM
Thorshammer   Due diligence is testing at all circuits by differ...   Jun 20 2005, 09:37 PM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 21 2005, 07:05 AM
mudfoot76   In spite of being bitter about this whole situatio...   Jun 21 2005, 07:49 AM
rhodyguy   how you guys can even endure sitting through a com...   Jun 21 2005, 08:19 AM
lapuwali   <...   Jun 21 2005, 08:25 AM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 21 2005, 08:44 AM
rhodyguy   i'll be booking a flight promptly then. do the...   Jun 21 2005, 08:48 AM
Jeroen   yeah, but they don't come with english subtitl...   Jun 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Thorshammer   Jeroen, Just take him window shopping and he wil...   Jun 21 2005, 09:19 AM
rhodyguy   btdt, 1976. all i did was window shop. i was datin...   Jun 21 2005, 09:31 AM
Jeroen   read em and weep http://www.914w...   Jun 22 2005, 10:33 AM
J P Stein     Jun 22 2005, 12:58 PM
Mueller   sorta OT...anyone have this book?? Ferrari Form...   Jun 22 2005, 01:40 PM
maf914   <...   Jun 22 2005, 01:55 PM
groot     Jun 22 2005, 01:56 PM
F1rocco   What was it like 6 Michelin teams that boycotted t...   Jun 22 2005, 02:02 PM
F1rocco   Minardi Do I need to say anymore.....   Jun 22 2005, 02:10 PM
jhadler   I can't say I think anyone directly involved i...   Jun 22 2005, 02:26 PM
lapuwali   It was Texas World Speedway. Super high banking w...   Jun 22 2005, 03:51 PM
davesprinkle   Actually, it was Texas Motor Speedway. Not trying...   Jun 22 2005, 07:32 PM
F1rocco   ...   Jun 22 2005, 10:03 PM
goose2   Michelin to offer US GP refunds From the BBC webs...   Jun 28 2005, 03:34 PM
lapuwali   Michelin is really doing the stand-up thing here. ...   Jun 28 2005, 03:46 PM
larryp   Yeah, Max will be in full tyrant mode tomorrow but...   Jun 28 2005, 08:36 PM
seanery   well, that's the first thing Michellin has don...   Jun 29 2005, 09:53 AM


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