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> Michellin sucks, -ruined the USGP
seanery
post Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) I can't believe it. WTF. Michellin, in it's 6th year here, can't create a tire that will will finish the race? WTF.

NO FRENCHIE FUCKING TIRES FOR ANY OF MY CARS!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)
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post Jun 20 2005, 09:37 PM
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Due diligence is testing at all circuits by different teams, you are right not all teams are able to test a each given circuit. But there was testing for Michelin at Indy. But the data was either useless or not looked at. However, by Michelins own admission,they did not bring a second tire following the rules "a second tire must be available that will offer less performance but be absolutely reliable"

As for The FIA and Ecclefuck, you are aware the FIA and F1 are separate entities? Ecclejunk in control of Mosley, it certainly does not look like it to me. One point of interest is Tony George (via Chitwood) claims no knowledge of the request for a chicane to be installed? Now, I think this is probably BS, I think he knew and the teams would have put him on alert in case they got their way with the FIA.

I don't disagree that slowing down for turn 13 is absurd, but so is michelin not fulfilling their contractual obligations. As for coming in without penalty to change any tire they felt they needed to at will. This IS a solution to the problem. As for Ferrari not willing to allow the Chicane. I think if the shoe was on the other foot, would 7 other teams assist Ferrari to compete. I do not think they would. You forget, some of these teams have 100m+ dollar budgets. Any advantage is exploited, remember traction control. I also remember the Ferrari's with tire woes earlier this year, and I did'nt hear of anyone changing the course or rules to allow them to compete without incident.

I think the tire rules are ridiculous! This is not F1 it's F1 endurance. It's a joke.

All we are going to see in the next few days is finger pointing. Michelin will have to get the monkey off their back, and the finger will point at Indy. Ecclestone will point the finger at Mosley and the team managers and Michelin. Michelin will kiss Eccleballs ass because they want to be the next single tire supplier to F1. Joke.
As for Ferrari, Michael will most likely step down as driver representative for his lack of support, or perceived lack of support.

There will be no refunds, as Tony G will not give anything back. Champcar will offer free admission to their next race with a USGP ticket stub, using it as a marketing ploy to gain new fans to champcar racing.

Also a new sanctioning body will be formed and several teams will defect with Eccleanus out of the picture, tracks will be hard to come by and the sport will suffer. but thats just the stuff out of my crystal balls, how about yours?

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seanery   Michellin sucks   Jun 19 2005, 12:06 PM
Thorshammer   Is it Michelin or Ecclestone or Max Mosley with th...   Jun 19 2005, 12:26 PM
Jeroen   Yes, Michelin f-ed up BIG TIME... but IMO it's...   Jun 19 2005, 12:43 PM
TimT   Did ya notice Speed is still running the Michelin ...   Jun 19 2005, 01:08 PM
lapuwali   Completely agree. This is down to Max and Bernie....   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 01:09 PM
serge914   From what I understand Ferrari is the only that di...   Jun 19 2005, 01:20 PM
Thorshammer   Serge, What are your sources?? Because I just got...   Jun 19 2005, 01:53 PM
Britain Smith   ...   Jun 19 2005, 02:17 PM
serge914   According to the Canadian television, Radio Canada...   Jun 19 2005, 02:24 PM
Thorshammer   Thanks for the source! But the track has been...   Jun 19 2005, 02:44 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/...   Jun 19 2005, 02:58 PM
Mrs. K     Jun 19 2005, 03:46 PM
racejoe   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 19 2005, 04:32 PM
goose2  
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Jeroen  
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J P Stein     Jun 19 2005, 08:15 PM
F1rocco   Put In a Chicane......Come on....Give me a break.....   Jun 19 2005, 08:36 PM
redshift   I haven't had one of their tires since maybe x...   Jun 19 2005, 08:38 PM
cdmcse   Well guys I was at the GP all weekend and let me t...   Jun 19 2005, 09:28 PM
Thorshammer   I don't quite understand your post. And please...   Jun 19 2005, 09:49 PM
jimtab     Jun 19 2005, 09:57 PM
mudfoot76     Jun 19 2005, 10:09 PM
mihai914   IMHO, it's all about politics. Point is nobody...   Jun 19 2005, 10:22 PM
seanery   Michellin bears full responsibility for what happe...   Jun 19 2005, 10:28 PM
mihai914     Jun 19 2005, 10:37 PM
jimtab   He really did....what an assbag.   Jun 19 2005, 10:50 PM
redshift   Calm down Lisa, he was refering to the gimp he dre...   Jun 19 2005, 11:02 PM
Mrs. K   http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jun 19 2005, 11:07 PM
lapuwali   While Michelin f-ed up, it was clearly the FIA and...   Jun 19 2005, 11:45 PM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 20 2005, 03:54 AM
F1rocco   Penalize them...Most of them wouldnt be able to fi...   Jun 20 2005, 06:26 AM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 20 2005, 06:35 AM
redshift   Well... they should have run... slower..   Jun 20 2005, 11:07 AM
lapuwali   More from Autosport: according to a phone intervie...   Jun 20 2005, 11:29 AM
serge914   Bottom line, is F-1 a sport or a show/business? ...   Jun 20 2005, 11:41 AM
DNHunt   James I'll stand by what I said. Granted raci...   Jun 20 2005, 12:26 PM
lapuwali     Jun 20 2005, 01:12 PM
mudfoot76   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:20 PM
Cap'n Krusty   ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:50 PM
serge914   Just imagine how many millions Japanese and Asians...   Jun 20 2005, 02:25 PM
jhadler   Big Show... Big Bussiness... Big Ego's... I...   Jun 20 2005, 02:33 PM
seanery   From the FIA's website: 2005 UNITED STATES GR...   Jun 20 2005, 02:45 PM
Jeroen   Yep, I read that one... Interesting read! Cle...   Jun 20 2005, 03:03 PM
seanery   actually, it's not a concrete barrier there, i...   Jun 20 2005, 03:46 PM
anthony   So can some explain to me why adding a chicane to ...   Jun 20 2005, 05:27 PM
TimT  
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black73   This incident reminds me of the NASCAR tire wars a...   Jun 20 2005, 06:08 PM
Thorshammer   Okay bitches I'm back! Lapi, Some of wha...   Jun 20 2005, 06:45 PM
goose2   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jun 20 2005, 06:58 PM
TimT   Michelin tires were on the the 1-2 finishing cars ...   Jun 20 2005, 07:05 PM
!   Simple, Michelin+French=surrender.... Next questi...   Jun 20 2005, 07:15 PM
lapuwali   Erik, regardless of whether Bernie sold the TV ri...   Jun 20 2005, 08:55 PM
seanery   the only teams that "bent" were the Michellin team...   Jun 20 2005, 09:13 PM
Thorshammer   Due diligence is testing at all circuits by differ...   Jun 20 2005, 09:37 PM
Jeroen   <...   Jun 21 2005, 07:05 AM
mudfoot76   In spite of being bitter about this whole situatio...   Jun 21 2005, 07:49 AM
rhodyguy   how you guys can even endure sitting through a com...   Jun 21 2005, 08:19 AM
lapuwali   <...   Jun 21 2005, 08:25 AM
Jeroen   ...   Jun 21 2005, 08:44 AM
rhodyguy   i'll be booking a flight promptly then. do the...   Jun 21 2005, 08:48 AM
Jeroen   yeah, but they don't come with english subtitl...   Jun 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Thorshammer   Jeroen, Just take him window shopping and he wil...   Jun 21 2005, 09:19 AM
rhodyguy   btdt, 1976. all i did was window shop. i was datin...   Jun 21 2005, 09:31 AM
Jeroen   read em and weep http://www.914w...   Jun 22 2005, 10:33 AM
J P Stein     Jun 22 2005, 12:58 PM
Mueller   sorta OT...anyone have this book?? Ferrari Form...   Jun 22 2005, 01:40 PM
maf914   <...   Jun 22 2005, 01:55 PM
groot     Jun 22 2005, 01:56 PM
F1rocco   What was it like 6 Michelin teams that boycotted t...   Jun 22 2005, 02:02 PM
F1rocco   Minardi Do I need to say anymore.....   Jun 22 2005, 02:10 PM
jhadler   I can't say I think anyone directly involved i...   Jun 22 2005, 02:26 PM
lapuwali   It was Texas World Speedway. Super high banking w...   Jun 22 2005, 03:51 PM
davesprinkle   Actually, it was Texas Motor Speedway. Not trying...   Jun 22 2005, 07:32 PM
F1rocco   ...   Jun 22 2005, 10:03 PM
goose2   Michelin to offer US GP refunds From the BBC webs...   Jun 28 2005, 03:34 PM
lapuwali   Michelin is really doing the stand-up thing here. ...   Jun 28 2005, 03:46 PM
larryp   Yeah, Max will be in full tyrant mode tomorrow but...   Jun 28 2005, 08:36 PM
seanery   well, that's the first thing Michellin has don...   Jun 29 2005, 09:53 AM


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