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The $5,000 Type IV?, What would it look like? |
horizontally-opposed |
Nov 29 2005, 07:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,433 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
So I can't (and won't) argue with Jake's policies or pricing. Hell, I helped publicize his acheivements and remain very impressed by them. So let's NOT DEBATE THEM here -- please take that to another thread.
In the meantime, though, I think $5,000 (carbs and ignition included?) seems a far more approachable number for a lot of people. I wouldn't expect to get anything but short-lived junk for $1,300 to $2,600 -- unless I was building it myself. So what are the possibilities at $5,000 to maybe $6,000? What kind of power, what kind of longevity? Could 120 or 130 hp be so hard to get with decent longevity? I ask it more as theory and as a business opportunity/service someone could provide the community with -- someone who is well-known as a good engine builder. The 2.0-liter (based on a 1.7) in my 1973 914 has not left the chassis since at least 1986 -- it ain't got much power, but it was obviously built right. Rather than specific answers, I am hoping to open up a direction of travel for Type IV owners on a real-world budget and (hopefully) a resource to fit that niche. Or am I alone? (running for cover) pete |
ChicagoChris |
Nov 29 2005, 09:51 PM
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It was jack-stand-tastic! Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 3-November 05 From: Chicago (burbs), IL Member No.: 5,062 |
Yes it can be done!
With all due regard to Jake and the “Speed is expensive. How fast do you want to spend?” crowd. I know it is possible to get a good, reliable, respectably powered engine for under $5000. I did it about three years ago. A good local machine shop and some basic skills can do it. The following is a bit over simplified but I can give you excruciating detail if you want it. I had a 1.8 turned into a 2.0 in the car already. But I decided to build a 2.0. So here is the formula I used. Do your own work. I tore down the engine myself. I took pictures and notes as I went. Sent the heads and bottom end to my local (reputable) machine shop. I had them inspect and test (magnaflux) the crank and rods. I also had the case line bored. I got a slightly more aggressive cam from Elgin cams. I had the shop build the bottom end. I also had them inspect and machine the heads. (I can send a PM for exactly what I had machined) That included fixing a few seats. My total from the shop was less then $800. The cam was $150 I think. I took all the pieces home and did the top-end myself. Sorry Jake it isn’t brain surgery. I had a good book and a few lessons I learned on my first motor (the 1.8) all the parts and labor went just over $3000. Don’t neglect the cooling. I went with the deep pan and a better oil pump. I removed the cooler and went with an external to improve the cooling to the #3 cylinder also. To coin a phrase; “She’s been ridden hard and put away wet.” I have had so much fun and not a lick of trouble. Keep the cam friendly with the EFI or carb choice and have at it. As an aside I had it on a dyno making 130bhp. Chris |
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