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914werke
post Apr 1 2006, 10:04 PM
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I know Jake suggests tossing these, but unfortunantly Im rebuilding a set of heads. Id like to keep them stock, but Im more concerned about longevity.
Is there anything that can be done to improve thier function?

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post Apr 3 2006, 02:58 PM
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Somebody explain to me how an Airplane piston engine that never sees the high side of 2700 RPM (with a few exceptions)

has anything to do with what we are talking about?

And airplane engines are either water cooled or air cooled with more air going across the cylinders and the engine than we can even imagine.

Me thinks you are comparing apples to sherman tanks.

Differant application and very differant enviroments...........

Lousy comaparative analysis.... In my non-humble opinion.

AND:

It doen't matter if it's Jake of Len or Brett or Me for that matter that makes a comment on how it should be or what to use. Don't keep shooting the messenger. It's only data... Biased and/or opinionated or not... It's only data.

And what is needed on a race engine isn't always needed on a street engine. Couldn't agree more.

For me... On any engine that can see 6K easily. any valve that has seen 100K in mileage is tossed. Period.

Too much risk of valve seperation. Cause I spin my engines to redline constantly. To expensive to take a chance.

Sodium or not? I use stainless. With new guides.

What you use doens't matter. cause they all work. Including sodium filled.

To which is better for a street engine.

If I used a Raby cam.. I would go stainless. Cause the head temps are down.
If I was to go with a bone stock cam... I would use either one.. and ONLY if they were new valves.

And I have a spare NOS/OEM set of sodium filled 1.7 or 1.8 (can't remember) valves if ya need em.. I will never use them. Not for free... But for cheap...... (with springs, retainers and keepers, intake and exhaust all NOS)

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rdauenhauer   OE Exhaust Valves   Apr 1 2006, 10:04 PM
r_towle   Im gonna ask a rhetorical question... Did the ori...   Apr 1 2006, 10:10 PM
rdauenhauer   Actually yes! and that IS the hope. <...   Apr 1 2006, 11:56 PM
Brando   <...   Apr 2 2006, 12:16 AM
messix   the valve stems are filled with sodium to isolate ...   Apr 2 2006, 12:20 AM
DNHunt     Apr 2 2006, 06:49 AM
davep   <...   Apr 2 2006, 06:59 AM
Bleyseng   I don't use 30yr old valves in my cars....if y...   Apr 2 2006, 08:29 AM
J P Stein     Apr 2 2006, 08:48 AM
r_towle   Here is my logic. The car/engine was designed for...   Apr 2 2006, 09:10 AM
Rotten Robby   ...and for a fun experiment you can do at home...   Apr 2 2006, 10:54 AM
r_towle   what happens when you pour it down the sink?? smok...   Apr 2 2006, 10:57 AM
bd1308     Apr 2 2006, 11:10 AM
J P Stein     Apr 2 2006, 11:10 AM
Rotten Robby     Apr 2 2006, 11:13 AM
Jake Raby   I can't stand not posting on this topic. If ...   Apr 2 2006, 11:59 AM
Aaron Cox   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Apr 2 2006, 12:05 PM
r_towle   ...   Apr 2 2006, 01:27 PM
Bleyseng   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Apr 2 2006, 04:17 PM
jsteele22   Interesting thread, had no idea it was gonna be so...   Apr 2 2006, 05:13 PM
bd1308   sounds like sodium could be used to make hydrogen ...   Apr 2 2006, 05:20 PM
alpha434   I'm not sure if you could cryo sodium filled v...   Apr 2 2006, 06:00 PM
davep   ...   Apr 2 2006, 06:01 PM
Al Meredith   Sodium is used in LOW PRESSURE SODIUM LIGHT BULBS....   Apr 2 2006, 06:57 PM
alpha434     Apr 3 2006, 08:58 AM
DNHunt  
  Apr 3 2006, 09:11 AM
Bleyseng   My rebuilt rebuilt motor with the new cam is runni...   Apr 3 2006, 10:19 AM
Demick   Just a few observations: 1. I have noticed that J...   Apr 3 2006, 10:30 AM
DNHunt   I agree that the longer duration probably acounts ...   Apr 3 2006, 10:52 AM
Demick   Dave Very generally, steel has 2-3 times the ther...   Apr 3 2006, 11:07 AM
Bleyseng     Apr 3 2006, 11:10 AM
J P Stein   The sodium transfers heat from the head to the ste...   Apr 3 2006, 12:43 PM
Bleyseng   and if the valve guide is worn the valve does not ...   Apr 3 2006, 12:57 PM
alpha434   <...   Apr 3 2006, 01:39 PM
SLITS   <...   Apr 3 2006, 02:01 PM
davep   <...   Apr 3 2006, 02:06 PM
Matt Meyer  
  Apr 3 2006, 02:22 PM
Bleyseng   Good food for thought on how fixing one problem le...   Apr 3 2006, 02:46 PM
Twystd1   Somebody explain to me how an Airplane piston engi...   Apr 3 2006, 02:58 PM
arc914  
  Apr 3 2006, 04:06 PM
Bleyseng   I am not sure that type 4 engines need a spray bar...   Apr 3 2006, 05:29 PM
Twystd1   Many spec racing (NASCAR and others) V8 engines us...   Apr 3 2006, 06:03 PM
J P Stein   Golly.........what Porsche engine has had 2 cam to...   Apr 3 2006, 07:33 PM
Bleyseng   Aren't 911 engines dry sumped? <...   Apr 3 2006, 08:07 PM
TimT  
  Apr 3 2006, 08:22 PM
DNHunt   Damn that was good http://w...   Apr 3 2006, 08:34 PM
J P Stein   30's technology? I'm 40's technology.....   Apr 3 2006, 09:38 PM
sixnotfour   935 oil cooled/lubed guide exhaust,oil cooled/lube...   Apr 3 2006, 11:03 PM
sixnotfour   sideshot   Apr 3 2006, 11:07 PM
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