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> Volocity stack design considerations??, for my mickey mouse ITB's
Mueller
post Apr 4 2006, 03:19 PM
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Slightly warmed up /4 motor applications...I'm thinking just about any design better than none at all....I'd like to metal spin these myself, however if I can get a good price on 8 from a fellow non-club member, I'll go that route (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif)






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post Apr 5 2006, 11:28 AM
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I don't know anything about the design of velocity stacks, but that ain't gonna stop me from spouting off....

I think Twystd1 is right : the place where stack design matters most is for carbs, 'cause the detailed behavior of the air flow determines how much fuel you get from the venturi, and also how well the fuel/air get mixed. Since F/I handles these two issues very reliably, you mainly want to keep the flow from going turbulent : laminar flow (where air flows smoothly in layers parallel to the tube walls) will get you more air, so more power. My guess is that using *any* sane velocity stack profile will get you like 80% of the way there, and the only thing to get you to the ideal is gonna be trial and error, and/or massive amounts of computer modelling.

If there is no velocity stack, only an abrupt open tube end, then when a "vacuum pulse" reaches the top end of the pipe, it's gonna want to draw air in from every direction. Air directly above the pipe will flow right in, but air that is directly to the side of the pipe is gonna have to make an infinitely sharp 90 degree turn if it's gonna follow the tube wall. Since it can't, it's gonna understeer and separate from the wall, giving rise to turbulence.

Adding a bell shape does (at least) two things. It gives the air thats out to the sides of the stack a nice gentle curve to follow as it goes from flowing sideways to flowing downward. This in itself reduces the likelihood of turbulence. But the area of the tube opening is also made quite a bit larger. Twice the area means that the air is traveling half as fast as it enters. Then add to this the fact that air travelling along the tube walls is gonna travel much more slowly, due to friction, than the air flowing down the center. So the outer part of the flare is like a landing pad/slow lane for getting the most problematic air flowing in a nice oderly way side by side with the bulk of the air which is coming from the more vertical directions. As for the rounded lip issue, yeah its got to help some, in theory, but I think that by the time you get out to the lip the air velocity along the bell surface is pretty small, so it's really gonna be a hair-splitting kind of issue. If you were going for massive HP (i.e. massive air flow) then it might be worth doing. But for this project, I can't see it showing up on the radar.

All of the above (besides being pure speculation on my part) only describes the steady-state behavior. In the intake, you're really looking more at pulses of negative/positive pressure superimposed on top of this. I've heard, and it makes some sense, that another thing velocity stacks accomplish is to broaden the torque peak.
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Mueller   Volocity stack design considerations??   Apr 4 2006, 03:19 PM
bd1308   carbs have had velocity stacks for years....   Apr 4 2006, 03:42 PM
spunone   Just send me the measurements and if we ever meet ...   Apr 4 2006, 03:52 PM
spunone   You can roll outer edge back onto itself I have m...   Apr 4 2006, 04:04 PM
SirAndy     Apr 4 2006, 04:14 PM
jsteele22   Hey Mike, Don't know if you've run ac...   Apr 4 2006, 04:27 PM
ClayPerrine   Velocity of Sound Website - Maker of Velocity Stac...   Apr 4 2006, 04:38 PM
ClayPerrine   I still want to know why you are reinventing the w...   Apr 4 2006, 04:40 PM
ClayPerrine   If you are really pimpin'. you would use the...   Apr 4 2006, 04:41 PM
Mueller     Apr 4 2006, 05:14 PM
Thorshammer   The outer lip needs to be rounded. The edge is ver...   Apr 4 2006, 09:05 PM
retrotech   I tested air flow with vacume cleaner suction & sm...   Apr 4 2006, 09:48 PM
Twystd1   YUP... What everybody else said about the rounded ...   Apr 5 2006, 12:43 AM
Porcharu   Get that mill going Mike. Make an insert and pres...   Apr 5 2006, 02:09 AM
jsteele22   I don't know anything about the design of velo...   Apr 5 2006, 11:28 AM
maf914   Lot's of good ideas, but how come no one has m...   Apr 5 2006, 01:31 PM
Mueller     Apr 5 2006, 01:38 PM
Aaron Cox   yummy jenevey's http://www.914w...   Apr 5 2006, 01:43 PM
Aaron Cox   OMG! they even make "injected air horns"!...   Apr 5 2006, 01:44 PM
Mueller   aaron, here is video showing how many of the spu...   Apr 5 2006, 01:50 PM
spunone   Ok one more for ya fellas .On a few nitro drag bik...   Apr 5 2006, 01:50 PM
jsteele22   I don't know why two stacks would give more ai...   Apr 5 2006, 02:43 PM
john rogers   Something to think about, are you going to run air...   Apr 5 2006, 02:49 PM
Aaron Cox   what if you had 4 different size stacks???? ...   Apr 5 2006, 03:27 PM
jsteele22   ...   Apr 5 2006, 03:28 PM
Aaron Cox     Apr 5 2006, 03:29 PM
jsteele22   ...   Apr 5 2006, 03:42 PM
bd1308   guys, we need to think outside of the box. I am g...   Apr 5 2006, 04:02 PM
TimT     Apr 5 2006, 04:15 PM
Aaron Cox     Apr 5 2006, 04:18 PM
TimT   Let Steve Timmins explain http://instant-g.com/Pr...   Apr 5 2006, 04:33 PM
Rick_Eberle   Here's what Suzuki use on their current GSX-R...   Apr 5 2006, 06:11 PM
Rick_Eberle   Showing the slots...   Apr 5 2006, 06:12 PM
maf914   ...   Apr 6 2006, 09:21 AM
Rick_Eberle     Apr 6 2006, 06:42 PM
J P Stein     Apr 6 2006, 06:51 PM
Porcharu     Apr 6 2006, 10:42 PM
fin   I believe the formula for a proper roll on the mou...   Apr 7 2006, 08:16 AM
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spunone   Sample stack headed out today UPS have fun   Apr 7 2006, 05:27 PM
Thorshammer   Since I worked for Suzuki for 5 years, I thought I...   Apr 7 2006, 11:06 PM
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