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krazykonrad
post Feb 25 2007, 04:27 PM
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AA just ran well in excess of $1,000 over budget on my 914. I dont dispute the necessity of the work or the pricing of the work. However, they went way too far when I told them to what my budget was. The official company line is this was a "misunderstanding".
In all candor, Shon and Daniel in the shop were great to work with. Shon got put in the middle between George and I when George suddenly dropped the problem on his lap.
AA fooled me once on bad customer service. Now they fooled me twice. Shame on me for trusting them. Never again!
To keep a potential flame war off the site, PM me if you're interested in the story.
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post Feb 25 2007, 06:13 PM
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OK: I had a rocker arm stud break on me and eventually needed the half stuck in the head drilled out. George quoted me $400 to remove the engine, drill out the bolt, and re-assemble everything. I figured the total cost might be $5-600 by the time it was all done.
George then gave me a call to tell me that every thing was finished, but they had seen some problem areas that needed to be addressed. george said it would take some "tweaks" to get it in perfect running order and it should cast $2,000 to do everything. I thought he ment $2k inclusive of the engine work. But none-the-less I told him "do what you need to get it running, but $2k is way out of my price range."
Total bill- $3175.00 including tax. Things done include replace CV joints, replace wheel bearing, replace shifter bushings, replace muffler bracket, and a few others.
* The work needed to be done and the total price was fair for the work done. However, I had no intention of dropping more than $1500 total. I wasnt explicit about it but "go nowhere near $2k, I thought would cover things.
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post Feb 26 2007, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE(krazykonrad @ Feb 25 2007, 06:13 PM) *

OK: I had a rocker arm stud break on me and eventually needed the half stuck in the head drilled out. George quoted me $400 to remove the engine, drill out the bolt, and re-assemble everything. I figured the total cost might be $5-600 by the time it was all done.
George then gave me a call to tell me that every thing was finished, Did you ask for a total of all work performed to date? but they had seen some problem areas that needed to be addressed. George said it would take some "tweaks" Did you ask for a list of all the work that the "tweaks entailed? to get it in perfect running order and it should cast $2,000 to do everything. I am sure George thought HE said “it will take another $2000 or so to get this ADDITIONAL work done". You know that it is what he was thinking. I thought he ment $2k inclusive of the engine work. here is the point where you need to ask the question: total or additional? it is your car, and money! But none-the-less I told him "do what you need to get it running, (repair shop heard this) but $2k is way out of my price range."(repair shop either hears that it is out of yout price range, but you will deal with it, or just hears a customer griping)
Total bill- $3175.00 including tax. Things done include replace CV joints, replace wheel bearing, replace shifter bushings, replace muffler bracket, and a few others.
* The work needed to be done and the total price was fair for the work done. However, I had no intention of dropping more than $1500 total. I wasn’t explicit about it but "go nowhere near $2k, I thought would cover things.
Never again!
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Bottom line: they made a good faith effort to gain authorization for the work, and you gave that authorization with out a full understanding of what you were authorizing.

Same thing happened to me. I had a BMW M3 I was selling. My wife took it to a store and some chick backed into the car, leaving a small dent on the front quarter that needed to be fixed. When I went to the body shop to get and estimate, I was asked did the insurance company give an estimate. I said "yes but I don't have it with me. He went ahead and generated another one.
And then when I found out that they would have to blend the paint into the hood, I asked to get the hood re-sprayed to take care of some paint chips. So he came back and said $750, and gave me the secret coded estimate sheet. So I said wow that is cheap! (seriously I did!). Go for it.

When I go to pick up the car, it turns out I owe $800. I question them and they say that they didn't estimate the insurance portion of the work because the insurance company estimate applied, and that this estimate was for ONLY additional work. I thought that it was a sucky way to do business, but that is the way it works.

Bottom line, I was the one that didn't fully understand what I was asking for, and I am the one that authorized the repair at the quoted price. I bitched and got a small discount on the work and chalked it up to a lesson learned. Be a dummy; ask the question over and over again until you UNDERSTAND FULLY, and then and only then sign! too many people (like me in this case) don't want to seem dumb, and just kind of gloss over the details and say go ahead. I was mad at the time, but mostly at my self for not asking questions and knowing that anything insurance related isn’t done in a logical manner. I think i may have even posted a rant here at the time (old pre-split site) The thing to remember here is that the shop deals with things liek this ALL the time and each time you are required to learn their way of doing things, and shorthand and secret code words. This is your responsibility , because it is your MONEY!

If you ask nice, maybe George will be willing to give a "sorry for the miscommunication problem" discount, but you aren't OWED one.
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krazykonrad   Another AA Horror Story   Feb 25 2007, 04:27 PM
Heeltoe914   Maybe it was a misunderstanding but sometimes the ...   Feb 25 2007, 04:55 PM
scotty b   Let me give you the story from the bodymans side o...   Feb 25 2007, 05:12 PM
fiid   I think one's expectations should be to pay th...   Feb 25 2007, 05:30 PM
krazykonrad   I defenitley understand that good work cost money,...   Feb 25 2007, 05:58 PM
9146986   I'd be the first person to stand in line NOT t...   Feb 25 2007, 06:01 PM
burton73   What you are saying now is your estimate was ...   Feb 25 2007, 06:06 PM
krazykonrad   OK: I had a rocker arm stud break on me and eventu...   Feb 25 2007, 06:13 PM
scotty b   I told him "do what you need to get it runni...   Feb 25 2007, 06:22 PM
ws91420   OK: I had a rocker arm stud break on me and event...   Feb 25 2007, 09:20 PM
URY914   Things done include replace CV joints, replace wh...   Feb 25 2007, 09:34 PM
rick 918-S   Things done include replace CV joints, replace w...   Feb 25 2007, 10:12 PM
gopack   OK: I had a rocker arm stud break on me and event...   Feb 26 2007, 06:55 AM
pbanders   [Bottom line: they made a good faith effort to ga...   Feb 26 2007, 11:56 AM
drewvw   if it really is 100% over estimate and they did th...   Feb 25 2007, 06:15 PM
Andyrew   That would have pissed me off. 3.1k for that? Im ...   Feb 25 2007, 06:43 PM
burton73   To make these cars correct it can cost a lot of mo...   Feb 25 2007, 06:46 PM
krazykonrad   I probably should have given them a more definite ...   Feb 25 2007, 07:33 PM
Brando   I don't know what legal restrictions are on re...   Feb 25 2007, 07:55 PM
dflesburg   Why do you have a 914 and pay someone else to work...   Feb 25 2007, 08:10 PM
SGB   Now that it is done- and by an actual business, ge...   Feb 25 2007, 08:20 PM
rick 918-S   Don't you hate when you delete a big long post...   Feb 25 2007, 08:48 PM
degreeoff   I am a General Contractor in MD (bitch of a state ...   Feb 25 2007, 09:01 PM
Andyrew   Josh, Im the same way. The only thing I'll le...   Feb 25 2007, 09:08 PM
John   I didn't work in a body shop, but when I worke...   Feb 25 2007, 10:11 PM
Rob Ways   "Knowledge is good" When you want work...   Feb 25 2007, 11:04 PM
nebreitling   from AA? Really? nahhh... they should have cal...   Feb 25 2007, 11:47 PM
bottomend   Classic case of getting totally ripped off. I feel...   Feb 26 2007, 01:49 AM
Hammy   I admire AA's willingness to go extensive with...   Feb 26 2007, 02:35 AM
Twystd1   I sense it would be smarter for ME to hear both si...   Feb 26 2007, 02:49 AM
Rotten Robby   I sense it would be smarter for ME to hear both s...   Feb 26 2007, 10:57 AM
Johny Blackstain   I can sympathize w/ you & at the same time I c...   Feb 26 2007, 09:21 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   Wow a lot has been posted since I last checked the...   Feb 26 2007, 09:31 AM
Rob Ways   I love happy endings... :D   Feb 26 2007, 10:04 AM
ChrisPaegelow   Last summer my girlfriend dropped her car off at T...   Feb 26 2007, 11:07 AM
jagalyn   Last summer my girlfriend dropped her car off at ...   Feb 26 2007, 01:07 PM
Johny Blackstain   Last summer my girlfriend dropped her car off at...   Feb 26 2007, 01:44 PM
StratPlayer   :agree:   Feb 26 2007, 11:07 AM
andys   Sorry, but I don't buy into the "buyer/cu...   Feb 26 2007, 11:15 AM
Rotten Robby   Sorry, but I don't buy into the "buyer/c...   Feb 26 2007, 01:40 PM
cooltimes   Full edit. Changed my opinion and delete it fully....   Feb 26 2007, 04:25 PM
nebreitling   :agree: with Andys...   Feb 26 2007, 11:34 AM
ChrisPaegelow   Keep in mind, the customer is not normally the ex...   Feb 26 2007, 12:27 PM
cooltimes   This is not a reflection on either as the old unwr...   Feb 26 2007, 12:55 PM
Engman   WWZD?   Feb 26 2007, 01:07 PM
Jake Raby   Making estimates in the wporld of repairing 30+ ye...   Feb 26 2007, 01:36 PM
Heeltoe914   Making estimates in the wporld of repairing 30+ y...   Feb 26 2007, 06:37 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   http://www.autoatlanta.com/rustoration/1.jpg Here...   Feb 26 2007, 01:40 PM
Rotten Robby   GREEN 914 ZIEGLER • Front tie rod ball joints r...   Feb 26 2007, 01:48 PM
Rotten Robby   "He then made it a point to tell me he was an...   Feb 27 2007, 03:04 PM
StratPlayer   That pretty much says it. Conrad's signatu...   Feb 26 2007, 01:52 PM
jagalyn   AA just ran well in excess of $1,000 over bu...   Feb 26 2007, 01:57 PM
ChrisPaegelow   [quote name='jagalyn' post='868086' date='Feb 26 ...   Feb 26 2007, 02:43 PM
URY914   You need to delete this crap about your girlfriend...   Feb 26 2007, 03:57 PM
Heeltoe914   To the Dr at AA let me be the first to say I am So...   Feb 26 2007, 07:04 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   To the Dr at AA let me be the first to say I am S...   Feb 26 2007, 07:07 PM
URY914   Just a couple of thoughts There is a HUGE differe...   Feb 26 2007, 07:26 PM
firstknight13   :popcorn: :D am i reading this right?? konrad is ...   Feb 26 2007, 09:47 PM
boxstr   If you have a dispute with someone who frequents t...   Feb 26 2007, 10:00 PM
Johny Blackstain   If you have a dispute with someone who frequents ...   Feb 26 2007, 10:07 PM
Crazyhippy   I see a HUGE difference between making a car that ...   Feb 26 2007, 10:23 PM
Mike McGrath   Whatever - let the buyer beware, of course, but so...   Feb 26 2007, 10:30 PM
Twystd1   6 things occur to ME. 1: Pricing of the work orde...   Feb 27 2007, 12:39 AM
elwood-914   Right now my car is being worked on at HPH. I got ...   Feb 27 2007, 12:48 AM
krazykonrad   Bottom Line: 1. The work needed to be done 2. The ...   Feb 27 2007, 08:52 AM
ws91420   You know what Konrad I am tired of this. I looked ...   Feb 27 2007, 09:34 AM
Rob Ways   C'mon..... let's see it :hugme: Thanks ...   Feb 27 2007, 10:03 AM
Scott Schroeder   The parts look resonable. The labor is what killed...   Feb 27 2007, 11:38 AM
sww914   At this point, I must say that the real problem wa...   Feb 27 2007, 11:39 AM
SLITS   :agree: On every repair order I have signed, if ...   Feb 27 2007, 01:26 PM
Brando   AA only charges roughyl $83 an hour? Kinda ....   Feb 27 2007, 02:23 PM
cooltimes   AA only charges roughyl $83 an hour? Kinda ...   Feb 27 2007, 02:39 PM
94teen6   Konrad please! You have been an attorney for ...   Feb 27 2007, 03:07 PM
hellsbend   I'm still mad at AA for getting those 914/6 he...   Feb 27 2007, 04:44 PM
Brando   [...] If you don't want to pay $175 for ...   Feb 28 2007, 08:45 PM
krazykonrad   Thanks for everyone's replies on the issue, in...   Feb 28 2007, 08:08 PM
URY914   Well said Konrad.   Feb 28 2007, 08:12 PM
orthobiz   OK. Can an administrator please close this topic??...   Feb 28 2007, 08:48 PM
carr914   :agree: Enough dirty laundry T.C.   Mar 1 2007, 10:46 AM


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