Spanked by a Civic?, Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a Options

[angerosa]

Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a 914 with 3.0 6 conversion? My buddy who doesn't have a preference either way says that the civic will win hands down (he has a VW symbol tattooed on his calf too). Even if the 914-6 has 260 - 280 HP. What do you guys think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[angerosa]

OK - So you are not getting 260 HP out of a 3.0. I misspoke. Let's say you have the elusive 3.6 which should get you around 300+ HP. Will you beat it then?
It's not that I care so much. I'm considering upgrades and I may have a problem if after I spend lots of dough (I'm guessing upwards of 15K if I can find a good 3.6 which is way above what I'm considering) and make the car more fun to drive that in a "throw down" every car on the road is still gonna beat it. I am not even the racer type. I have no interest in AX. I would have a riot going around the track but don't care to drag race. I have more fun driving around on the street and going for spirited drives on a fall day. I appreciate that the 914 is something special in itself but can't stand smarmy neigh sayers and wish to put them in their place if need be. So here in lies the ethical struggle. We can put 15k into an engine but using conventional comparators (like those would who are not fans of 914s), our cars are still only in the same class as many of the brand new 4 cylinders (GTI, A4 Turbo, Civic Si). Is anyone else willing to admit they have a small problem with this no matter how much of a diehard 914 fan you are (and believe me I am)?

[John]

OK - So you are not getting 260 HP out of a 3.0. I misspoke. Let's say you have the elusive 3.6 which should get you around 300+ HP. Will you beat it then?
It's not that I care so much. I'm considering upgrades and I may have a problem if after I spend lots of dough (I'm guessing upwards of 15K if I can find a good 3.6 which is way above what I'm considering) and make the car more fun to drive that in a "throw down" every car on the road is still gonna beat it. I am not even the racer type. I have no interest in AX. I would have a riot going around the track but don't care to drag race. I have more fun driving around on the street and going for spirited drives on a fall day. I appreciate that the 914 is something special in itself but can't stand smarmy neigh sayers and wish to put them in their place if need be. So here in lies the ethical struggle. We can put 15k into an engine but using conventional comparators (like those would who are not fans of 914s), our cars are still only in the same class as many of the brand new 4 cylinders (GTI, A4 Turbo, Civic Si). Is anyone else willing to admit they have a small problem with this no matter how much of a diehard 914 fan you are (and believe me I am)?

I'm missing something here.

So your friend is egging you on about how a new Civic could outrun a 914?

Give us some real world acceleration times for the alleged Civic, and I'd be better prepared to offer a more educated opinion.

So will the new Civic spank all new cars? What other cars would compare with the performance?

I would never consider "drag race starts" with one of MY Porsche transmissions (not even my Turbo). If it's a rolling start or some jaunt while traveling at some speed where you simply drop a gear (or two) and mash the gas, then I know what you are talking about.

My 3.2 914 street car holds it's own against most of the new street cars out there. The track car 3.2 914 sometimes betters all but the most expensive cars out on the track (and it will piss off most of the newer cars' drivers that it does run with).

No matter what you have, there will always be someone who comes along with something a little faster, quicker, or whatever. That's just the way it is. Get used to it and don't let the naysayers get you down. More than likely they are jealous and not really car guys to begin with.

[angerosa]

OK - So you are not getting 260 HP out of a 3.0. I misspoke. Let's say you have the elusive 3.6 which should get you around 300+ HP. Will you beat it then?
It's not that I care so much. I'm considering upgrades and I may have a problem if after I spend lots of dough (I'm guessing upwards of 15K if I can find a good 3.6 which is way above what I'm considering) and make the car more fun to drive that in a "throw down" every car on the road is still gonna beat it. I am not even the racer type. I have no interest in AX. I would have a riot going around the track but don't care to drag race. I have more fun driving around on the street and going for spirited drives on a fall day. I appreciate that the 914 is something special in itself but can't stand smarmy neigh sayers and wish to put them in their place if need be. So here in lies the ethical struggle. We can put 15k into an engine but using conventional comparators (like those would who are not fans of 914s), our cars are still only in the same class as many of the brand new 4 cylinders (GTI, A4 Turbo, Civic Si). Is anyone else willing to admit they have a small problem with this no matter how much of a diehard 914 fan you are (and believe me I am)?

I'm missing something here.

So your friend is egging you on about how a new Civic could outrun a 914?

Give us some real world acceleration times for the alleged Civic, and I'd be better prepared to offer a more educated opinion.

So will the new Civic spank all new cars? What other cars would compare with the performance?

I would never consider "drag race starts" with one of MY Porsche transmissions (not even my Turbo). If it's a rolling start or some jaunt while traveling at some speed where you simply drop a gear (or two) and mash the gas, then I know what you are talking about.

My 3.2 914 street car holds it's own against most of the new street cars out there. The track car 3.2 914 sometimes betters all but the most expensive cars out on the track (and it will piss off most of the newer cars' drivers that it does run with).

No matter what you have, there will always be someone who comes along with something a little faster, quicker, or whatever. That's just the way it is. Get used to it and don't let the naysayers get you down. More than likely they are jealous and not really car guys to begin with.

No - he's not egging me on. He just a true car guy at heart and I respect his opinion. He would love a Porsche 911. Some day he will have one but it's not a priority now. He's a great fabricator. He's owned and rebuilt many VWs (like at least 10) from 50s busses and bugs to mid 80s GTIs. He even owned a 914 once he got on a trade and started to redo it but had too many other projects going on at the time. He was going to give it to me but I lived in an apartment at the time and had no place to keep it. He believes Honda makes a good car (he's owned and rebuilt some of them too) but he doesn't have a preference one way or the other.

The Civic is not the focus of what I'm saying. It could be the Mitsubishi evolution or Mazda protege speed. Many people on this board will think they are all crap. My point is that if we put so much money into our cars they should be able to hang with cars of this caliber. From what you said, it seems like you can. That's all.