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Spanked by a Civic?, Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a |
angerosa |
Sep 18 2007, 03:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 21-August 07 From: Reston, VA Member No.: 8,023 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a 914 with 3.0 6 conversion? My buddy who doesn't have a preference either way says that the civic will win hands down (he has a VW symbol tattooed on his calf too). Even if the 914-6 has 260 - 280 HP. What do you guys think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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Brett W |
Sep 19 2007, 09:43 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
Yeah and I watched a DSP Neon beat all but two full out open wheel race cars at an autocross this weekend. You can't compare modified cars to stock cars.
On paper the Civic beats the stock 914 and 914-6 in every objective category. It has AC, CD, Navigation, etc. Beats it in emissions, reliability, drivability, power, and handling. It won't over heat the heads because it was lugged around town, it doesn't leak all over the garage floor, or leak water in through the weatherstripping. It has airbags and modern safety ratings. The gearbox is not as vague as a spoon in a bowl of mashed potatoes, the engine doesn't sound like a diesel, and it doesn't float the valves at 5700rpm. It still makes more torque than either a stock 914-6 or a 914-4. Lets not even discuss HP. The power to weight ratio of each car is: 73 914-4 2.0 22.1lbs/hp 70 914-6 2.0 18.9lbs/hp 2007 Civic Si 2.0 14.6lbs/hp Civic wins. In 30years the Civic will not be a rust pile of junk that needs to have floorpans, trunk floors, hell holes, etc repaired or replaced. The interior will will probably have fallen apart, but that is the nature of modern plastics. The transmission won't fail at twice the listed HP, the engine is bolt ons away from well over 260hp and capable of 300+ in NA form. Lets not even talk turbos. Now the 914 has a character that probably won't ever be matched by the Civic. Soul is getting hard to come by on the new car lots these days. But it is still a 30+ year old car and you have to deal with those issues and advantages. A 914 is a light weight car that is what really makes the roadster experience "all that". It has a visceral feel to it that is hard to come by these days. Nothing like the sound of an aircooled six right behind your head. Both cars have their advantages and disadvantages. It is all personal preference. If you want to see which car is better, bring them to an autocross, road course, drag race and daily driving test. Then decide which one is better. |
Brando |
Sep 20 2007, 02:12 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
Yeah and I watched a DSP Neon beat all but two full out open wheel race cars at an autocross this weekend. You can't compare modified cars to stock cars. On paper the Civic beats the stock 914 and 914-6 in every objective category. It has AC, CD, Navigation, etc. Beats it in emissions, reliability, drivability, power, and handling. It won't over heat the heads because it was lugged around town, it doesn't leak all over the garage floor, or leak water in through the weatherstripping. It has airbags and modern safety ratings. The gearbox is not as vague as a spoon in a bowl of mashed potatoes, the engine doesn't sound like a diesel, and it doesn't float the valves at 5700rpm. It still makes more torque than either a stock 914-6 or a 914-4. Lets not even discuss HP. The power to weight ratio of each car is: 73 914-4 2.0 22.1lbs/hp 70 914-6 2.0 18.9lbs/hp 2007 Civic Si 2.0 14.6lbs/hp Civic wins. In 30years the Civic will not be a rust pile of junk that needs to have floorpans, trunk floors, hell holes, etc repaired or replaced. The interior will will probably have fallen apart, but that is the nature of modern plastics. The transmission won't fail at twice the listed HP, the engine is bolt ons away from well over 260hp and capable of 300+ in NA form. Lets not even talk turbos. Now the 914 has a character that probably won't ever be matched by the Civic. Soul is getting hard to come by on the new car lots these days. But it is still a 30+ year old car and you have to deal with those issues and advantages. A 914 is a light weight car that is what really makes the roadster experience "all that". It has a visceral feel to it that is hard to come by these days. Nothing like the sound of an aircooled six right behind your head. Both cars have their advantages and disadvantages. It is all personal preference. If you want to see which car is better, bring them to an autocross, road course, drag race and daily driving test. Then decide which one is better. Well, after all of that, take into consideration... what's the civic going to be worth in 30 years? A fully restored or excellent condition teener? Problem solved! |
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