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Spanked by a Civic?, Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a |
angerosa |
Sep 18 2007, 03:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 21-August 07 From: Reston, VA Member No.: 8,023 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a 914 with 3.0 6 conversion? My buddy who doesn't have a preference either way says that the civic will win hands down (he has a VW symbol tattooed on his calf too). Even if the 914-6 has 260 - 280 HP. What do you guys think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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Brett W |
Sep 20 2007, 11:56 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
One thing I have seen with many customers, is the American mentality about RPM. When you grow up with big American engines that make peak torque in the 2000-3000 rpm range you don't drive small engines the way they should be driven. When the Vette cruises at 1800-2000 rpm it leads people to try and drive the civic and other small engines the same way. Add to that, the low rpm 2.5 litre four cylinders manufactured by several American and German car companies. You have to approach Japanese engines with a different set of tactics.
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grantsfo |
Sep 20 2007, 03:41 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
One thing I have seen with many customers, is the American mentality about RPM. When you grow up with big American engines that make peak torque in the 2000-3000 rpm range you don't drive small engines the way they should be driven. When the Vette cruises at 1800-2000 rpm it leads people to try and drive the civic and other small engines the same way. Add to that, the low rpm 2.5 litre four cylinders manufactured by several American and German car companies. You have to approach Japanese engines with a different set of tactics. I grew up with Porsches and Fiats and one of my first cars was a Hillman IMP with a 1000cc Coventry Climax motor that was a rev happy formula car motor. I have owned 3 Civic Si's. Great cars if you want to be botherered with constantly reving the things. And regardless of how well you know how to shift low torque motors you'll always find yourself in a situation in traffic when you want to squirt around someone where it takes two down shifts to get power band. On the track you'll always find a corner that works against a low torque motor unless youre part of a big budget team that can setup perfect gear ratios for every track you run. Funny thing is I call the Mazda/Ford MZR series motors in both the MazdasSpeed and my MX5 "truck" motors. They make great amounts of torque low down. Makes for much more useable power band. I think Porsche did very well with T4 truck motor. For its time it was a great compromise and a very flexible powerplant that offered great ecomomy, reasonable performance and drivability and enough power to make it a fairly quick based on 1970 sports car standards. |
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