 Bee Jay's 914-six Conversion, The car just burned down! |
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| Bee Jay |
 Jul 27 2011, 06:21 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964  |
QUOTE(rnellums @ Jul 27 2011, 10:41 AM)  If they do decide that yours is totaled I have some supporting documentation I can send you from when my car got totaled by a guy running a red light two weeks ago. my car was a stockish 2.0L. it was fully restored, but honestly wasn't in better condition than yours. His insurance company paid me just over 16,000 for mine. I can provide documentation if necessary. One of the things that I think helped was the photo album I made for the appraisor showing pictures from my build over the past 8 years. It shows how much time you have invested beyond just the parts value. I'll take whatever you are willing to share. beejay.jones@gmail.com Thanks Bee Jay |
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| bigkensteele |
Jul 27 2011, 10:36 PM
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Major Member Group: Members Posts: 2,200 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States 
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Bee Jay, this sucks to no end, as I am another that has followed your thread for inspiration. However, perspective is everything - you didn't lose your wife, child, parent or sibling. You had a set-back on a project that has probably been mostly enjoyable. So you get to do a few things over again, and maybe make some things better.
You have done great work! Call a family meeting in the garage and rally the troops. Once you figure out what you need, please post, and I will see what I have to donate. Ken |
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 2 2011, 12:43 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
I've been away in Texas for a week. It was good to get away from this. It was devastating all over again to see the car again today. Damn, it's really bad. I jacked the car up to look underneath and damn, damn, damn. I'm not sure I can get motivated to do this again. I've been working on this restoration for over ten years. It's such a freakin' mess. The insurance appraiser will be by tomorow. I guess he could provide me with some motivation. We will see how it goes. Thanks to rnellums for the info. I printed it all out and I'm having pictures of the finished car and progress pictures printed too.
Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312289972.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312289973.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312289973.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312289974.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312289974.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312289975.6.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1312293042.1.jpg) |
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| AZ914 |
Aug 2 2011, 07:50 AM
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914 Dumbass Group: Members Posts: 1,469 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson Member No.: 98 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Damn BeeJay, hope the insurance company does you right, that is what its for.
Is there anything structural destroyed? Hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks mostly cosmetic (and of course rubber, wiring tire, etc). |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Aug 2 2011, 12:19 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,870 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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It's a bummer Beej for sure. I get a sick feeling every time I look at the pics, I can only imagine how you feel. It's a good thing you had some time away from the carnage.
Just remember all the good advice you've gotten here though. Nobody died or is laying comatose in the ER since that day. As much as you poured out your own flesh, blood, tears, and hard earned cash, it is a car and there's very nice cars for sale all the time. Weigh the options, and take some time my friend before making any solid decisions. Like it or not, you are dealing with a death (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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| mepstein |
Aug 3 2011, 09:53 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 20,086 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I think 20K is a reasonable selling price but way to low as a cost to build price. I would call him up and let him know you put together a comprehensive build sheet and underestimated the price. Then price out ever part to build your car if you had to buy today. Get Wayne, Kap Crusty or another pro to sign off on the list. Prices should all be reasonable replacement cost, not super duper deal cost. I'm willing to bet you have a 35-40K car.
I'm no insurance pro - Just my opinion. Good luck, Mark |
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| patssle |
Aug 3 2011, 01:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 28-August 09 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 10,741 Region Association: None |
Can one include man hours worked as part of the price? Maybe not for the 10 years of working on it, but at least the /6 conversion?
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| campbellcj |
Aug 3 2011, 01:54 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,643 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(patssle @ Aug 3 2011, 12:01 PM) Can one include man hours worked as part of the price? Maybe not for the 10 years of working on it, but at least the /6 conversion? Not as far as I know, without detailed verifiable time records. You could just imagine the kind of fraud opportunities that would open-up. I'm not an insurance expert by any stretch, however. Not to cast a dark cloud over this tragedy, but I'm still worried that the insurance company may be covering this car as a stock 914-4 and valuing it accordingly. Unless you have an "agreed value" policy, they are going by the VIN number and available market value data per that VIN. |
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| scotty b |
Aug 3 2011, 02:17 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(patssle @ Aug 3 2011, 11:01 AM) Can one include man hours worked as part of the price? Maybe not for the 10 years of working on it, but at least the /6 conversion? No. This probably goes without saying but, do NOTHING to that car until you have a chek in hand. Don't even wipe the smoke residue off. Insurance companies for the most part ar fine to deal with but every once in a while you get that one that is a PITA. Leave things as they are until the settlement is reached. IMHO buy the car back and reuse the shell. If you can get it as a slavage title it can be rebuilt, it will just always have a dirty title. You have a good solid car that is a great re-starting point |
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| charliew |
Aug 3 2011, 07:35 PM
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Damn the corrosion is taking over fast though. I would hope to get something sprayed on it to stop the corroding as soon as possible. I think you can tell in the photos of the starter where the cranking by itself came from. So sorry but you can do it I'm sure and what a story it will be. It is a nice car, just a little messed up but at least not all bent up or rusted out.
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| Series9 |
Aug 3 2011, 09:30 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,446 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
I am also very sorry about this.
However, that's enough sadness for this misfortune. Start taking it apart. Take the opportunity to do the things you could have done better as you were learning. Throw away what can't be saved, catalog what can be saved, make lists of the things you need and let us start donating to put you back on track. The check from the insurance will be fun to spend on new parts and remember that the build is a major part of the enjoyment of your car. What do you need? I'll help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) We should have a tear-down party. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) |
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| moparrob |
Aug 3 2011, 09:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Series9 @ Aug 3 2011, 08:30 PM) Start taking it apart. Take the opportunity to do the things you could have done better as you were learning. Throw away what can't be saved, catalog what can be saved, make lists of the things you need and let us start donating to put you back on track. We should have a tear-down party. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| Cairo94507 |
Aug 3 2011, 10:07 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,439 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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I agree with the Cap'n on this one. Do not touch it until you have a check in your hands. Cover it and do not alter it in any way. I would then prepare a detailed inventory of the parts you have in the car to the best of your ability.
Good luck and best wishes on a speedy, fair resolution. |
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| Series9 |
Aug 4 2011, 06:16 AM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,446 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Yeah, they're right about waiting for the settlement to get started.
But then...... |
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 6 2011, 08:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
The dance begins. They are offering me $12K. They are using two 914s for sale in Ohio and Washington as comps. Both are four cyinder cars. One is at a dealer and the other is a private sale. I need to find as many 914-6 Conversion prices and convince them that their offer is way too low. They did give me a positive adjustment for converting the car from a 1.7 to a 2.0. I think they went by the 2.0 badge still on the car. The estimator that came out an looked at the car is not the same person or even company that estimated the value of my car. I'll call them Monday morning and be ready to fax, email, or mail any documentation, pictures, reciepts they will accept. Any 914-6 Conversion cars for sale on line out there? I'd appreciate any links. I guess I could strip the body, repaint it, rewire it, and refurb and replace all fire and smoke damaged parts for $12K if I did all of the labor and paint preps. My wife found a 74 911 targa online for $12. I think she wants a car running and driveable so she can get her husband back. I think I really want to bring this car back. Phoenix, rising from the ashes. I had a long talk with the Cap'n, John Larson. He can be crusty sometimes, but then he can be very compasionate too. He said there is no good reason not to rebuild. He already has a painter in mind and offered to help me rewire the car.
I also really appreciate the encouraging words I get here on this forum. If any of you are ever in Lompoc, I'll buy you a beer or lemonade. beejay.jones@gmail.com Thanks Bee Jay |
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| AZ914 |
Aug 6 2011, 09:30 AM
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914 Dumbass Group: Members Posts: 1,469 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson Member No.: 98 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Ugh.. use the classifieds here and on Pelican. even ebay completed listings...
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| mepstein |
Aug 6 2011, 11:26 AM
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I don't think 12K is enough to cover the cost of your car if they are calling it totaled and you have to buy it back but 12K should be enough to rebuild what you have and make it nice as long as you spend carefully and do the work other than paint.
The people making the offer are just looking at the info provided to them. I think you can get more if you give them more details. Treat them nice and talk to their supervisors if you hit a wall. |
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| rnellums |
Aug 7 2011, 01:47 PM
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Professional Enthusiast Group: Members Posts: 1,673 Joined: 26-November 09 From: Littleton, CO Member No.: 11,072 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE(Bee Jay @ Aug 6 2011, 06:45 AM) The dance begins. They are offering me $12K. They are using two 914s for sale in Ohio and Washington as comps. Both are four cyinder cars. One is at a dealer and the other is a private sale. I need to find as many 914-6 Conversion prices and convince them that their offer is way too low. They did give me a positive adjustment for converting the car from a 1.7 to a 2.0. I think they went by the 2.0 badge still on the car. The estimator that came out an looked at the car is not the same person or even company that estimated the value of my car. I'll call them Monday morning and be ready to fax, email, or mail any documentation, pictures, reciepts they will accept. Any 914-6 Conversion cars for sale on line out there? I'd appreciate any links. I guess I could strip the body, repaint it, rewire it, and refurb and replace all fire and smoke damaged parts for $12K if I did all of the labor and paint preps. My wife found a 74 911 targa online for $12. I think she wants a car running and driveable so she can get her husband back. I think I really want to bring this car back. Phoenix, rising from the ashes. I had a long talk with the Cap'n, John Larson. He can be crusty sometimes, but then he can be very compasionate too. He said there is no good reason not to rebuild. He already has a painter in mind and offered to help me rewire the car. I also really appreciate the encouraging words I get here on this forum. If any of you are ever in Lompoc, I'll buy you a beer or lemonade. beejay.jones@gmail.com Thanks Bee Jay I don't know if you still use a stOck harness, but I have one out of my parts car that is as perfect as they get. I was saving it for a future build, but I don't need it now. Send me an address if you need it. -Ross |
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 7 2011, 03:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
QUOTE(rnellums @ Aug 7 2011, 12:47 PM) QUOTE(Bee Jay @ Aug 6 2011, 06:45 AM) The dance begins. They are offering me $12K. They are using two 914s for sale in Ohio and Washington as comps. Both are four cyinder cars. One is at a dealer and the other is a private sale. I need to find as many 914-6 Conversion prices and convince them that their offer is way too low. They did give me a positive adjustment for converting the car from a 1.7 to a 2.0. I think they went by the 2.0 badge still on the car. The estimator that came out an looked at the car is not the same person or even company that estimated the value of my car. I'll call them Monday morning and be ready to fax, email, or mail any documentation, pictures, reciepts they will accept. Any 914-6 Conversion cars for sale on line out there? I'd appreciate any links. I guess I could strip the body, repaint it, rewire it, and refurb and replace all fire and smoke damaged parts for $12K if I did all of the labor and paint preps. My wife found a 74 911 targa online for $12. I think she wants a car running and driveable so she can get her husband back. I think I really want to bring this car back. Phoenix, rising from the ashes. I had a long talk with the Cap'n, John Larson. He can be crusty sometimes, but then he can be very compasionate too. He said there is no good reason not to rebuild. He already has a painter in mind and offered to help me rewire the car. I also really appreciate the encouraging words I get here on this forum. If any of you are ever in Lompoc, I'll buy you a beer or lemonade. beejay.jones@gmail.com Thanks Bee Jay I don't know if you still use a stOck harness, but I have one out of my parts car that is as perfect as they get. I was saving it for a future build, but I don't need it now. Send me an address if you need it. -Ross If you mean the stock harness that goes from the fuse box back to the relay board and tailights, etc. in the rear of the car, heck yes I need it. I'll gladly pay. Also, I'll be using your data in my dance with the insurance company. I gave it all to the appraiser that came to the house and took pictures, but I don't think it made it into the hands of whoever did the total offer. Thanks again. Bee Jay Bernard E. Jones 3123 Manley Drive Lompoc, CA. 93436 |
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