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> Bee Jay's 914-six Conversion, The car just burned down!
Bee Jay
post Feb 12 2011, 10:42 PM
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OK, I'm trying to figure out the oil lines. I assume that this long oil line
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replaces this long hard oil line
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So, I need to remove this line and I can only get this much movement from the line and connecting nuts
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I can hack saw the hard line close to the nuts and get it off. But I just want to make sure, this long flex hose oil line plugs into here
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on one end, and the side of the oil tank on the other end. I guess I need another adapter. What is the size of the metric connection into the bottom of the engine?
Thanks to everyone for their help on my project,
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post Feb 12 2011, 11:56 PM
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If the 90 deg. end of your flex line will screw on to the open end of your hard line, then it will also fit onto the case fitting. If the straight end of your flex line fits onto the tank, then I guess you're set, assuming it's long enuff and clears the engine mount and exhaust. If not, then you're in a pickle, because I don't recognize that flex line.

A caveat - the beauty of that hard line is that it has the funky bends in it to clear the oil tubes and headers. It's a high heat area where I'd prefer not to use a flex line. If possible, maybe you could hack off the 90 deg open end of the hard line and move it to replace the upstream 90 deg bend. Weld it on, then adjust your flex line to suit. That's what I did, except that I put in an external cooler so the welded-on 90 deg thing was sent off in another direction. You have an after market engine mount and mine's OE, so that may affect things - dunno. Good luck.
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post Feb 13 2011, 07:20 AM
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Here's a 914-6 oil line and a 911 line that was modified by PMS for a 914-6 conversion. Modded line uses a flex line to fit and is a larger diameter. I think 16 vs 12. Total length of 914-6 hardline is 44" +/-


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post Feb 13 2011, 10:44 AM
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Cut the hard line and silver solder or braze a AN fitting on it. You can get a steel 3/4" NPT /-12AN fitting, cut off the pipe threads and drill the fitting to accept the steel oil pipe, and braze it on. I've done a few like that.

Another option is to put a metric to AN adapter right on the case (where the oil pipe connects) and go with flex lines from that point. It's easier an less exposure to heat if you put a 90* fitting on the hose end that's going to connect to that fitting on the case, and then route the hose rearward, wrap it around the passenger side of the engine and then back to the tank, or to a t-stat if you are running an aux oil cooler.
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post Feb 13 2011, 08:40 PM
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Ok, I figured it out. First, I found this fitting at the bottom of my oil tank and lines box.
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Then using a very large adjustable cresent wrench I got the hard line out.
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The fitting goes into the side of the engine, and the oil line attaches. The other end of this line will go to the oil tank for now, but toward RX-7 oil cooler in the nose of the car after I get things working.
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post Feb 18 2011, 10:59 PM
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I painted the block off plates red to match the fan shroud.
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post Feb 21 2011, 11:39 PM
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This weekend was productive. I had to replace the broken sump plate screen. The Cap'n had one in his shop. I sealed up the bottom of the engine and was ready to transfer the engine from the engine stand to the dolly I built. There is something really cool about an engine hanging off of a hoist. Now I can install the Kennedy flywheel, the clutch, and bolt on the tranny. Well first I have to get the 911 flywheel off. What size torx is needed for this flywheel?
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post Feb 22 2011, 10:01 AM
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The flywheel bolts use a triple square, not torx. I don't remember if 10 or 12 mm, but I got mine from performance products (for too darn much). You can probably get them from Baum or Stahlwille.

Maybe not what you want to hear having got those valve covers all spiffed out, but the ribs look deep like they haven't been shaved. If so, they can't be taken off with the engine installed.

There is something about the torque spec for those flywheel bolts. The spec may be insufficient. I believe Bruce Anderson recommends thread locker on those bolts. I've heard of cases where they've backed off in-situ - not nice.
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post Feb 22 2011, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(9146986 @ Feb 13 2011, 11:44 AM) *

Another option is to put a metric to AN adapter right on the case (where the oil pipe connects) and go with flex lines from that point. It's easier an less exposure to heat if you put a 90* fitting on the hose end that's going to connect to that fitting on the case, and then route the hose rearward, wrap it around the passenger side of the engine and then back to the tank, or to a t-stat if you are running an aux oil cooler.


EXACTLY the route that I took, except I also have a thermostat on the right side of the engine compartment leading to an external cooler. Routing the flex line rearward and over the headers kept it away from the heat between the headers/heads.

And here I thought that I was the only one who took that bonehead route.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Feb 22 2011, 02:40 PM
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Have you looked at using Starlite hose? It is considerably lighter if you are using a lot of flex lines rather than hard lines.
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post Feb 23 2011, 08:20 PM
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The Captain, John Larson, lent me the 12 point tool to get the bolts of the old flywheel off. After I got it off, I tried to test fit the Kennedy Engineering flywheel. Dang thing would not bolt up. After much head scratching, I figured it out. The flywheel will on bolt on one way, you have to rotate it untill all bolt holes line up. I never read that anywhere. But now I know.
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post Feb 27 2011, 10:24 PM
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This weekend I cleaned the tranny, and bolted the flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, starter, and tranny to the engine. I like visual progress. I will now start wiring Perry's harness to the engine. I'm going to need help figuring out what sensors to use, and what sensors to ignore. I got plenty of sensors, but I'm going carbs, so I don't think I need all of them. Also, you will notice the lower valve covers are gone. I gave them to the Captain to be shaved down. I hope they can do it without messing up the powdercoat.
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Three sensors in this picture of the drivers side front.
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One sensor on the passenger side front.
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Two sensors here by the oil breather hole.
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post Feb 27 2011, 10:36 PM
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Looking good! I'm right behind you. I ordered my harness up after seeing yours and am waiting for it to arrive.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you end up dealing with those sensors, since I have a '79 3.0 with the same exact sensors - and I am also going with Webers and MSD.

Does one need to buy an entirely new flywheel from Kennedy if using a 3.0 with a 901 trans? I thought you could use a flywheel ring or something.

Did you go with a Stage II pressure plate?
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post Feb 28 2011, 08:16 AM
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You can pull and plug the senders on the chain covers. The canister type sender on the front is oil pressure, the nearest sender to that is oil temp, and the one on the case next to the case breather is oil pressure sender for warning light. The senders on the breather can be pulled and plugged.
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:52 AM
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Ahh, good information - thanks.

What is that other sensor below the breather in the bottom right corner of the last picture?

BTW - anyone know the thread on the sensors so that they can be plugged?
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post Feb 28 2011, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(moparrob @ Feb 27 2011, 08:36 PM) *

Looking good! I'm right behind you. I ordered my harness up after seeing yours and am waiting for it to arrive.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you end up dealing with those sensors, since I have a '79 3.0 with the same exact sensors - and I am also going with Webers and MSD.

Does one need to buy an entirely new flywheel from Kennedy if using a 3.0 with a 901 trans? I thought you could use a flywheel ring or something.

Did you go with a Stage II pressure plate?

you can either send your Type IV flywheel to Kennedy Engineering to be modified for $200, or buy a new one from them for $300. I sent my old flywheel to be modified, but they called me and said it was junk. It was lightened and abused. So I had them make me a new one. I had just bought a 911 clutch and presure plate for the Type IV 2.0 liter and it didn't have hardly any wear, from Pelican Parts, so I'm using them again.
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QUOTE

BTW - anyone know the thread on the sensors so that they can be plugged?


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post Mar 7 2011, 11:36 PM
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I didn't get much done this weekend. Lot's of honey do's around the house and I spent Sunday in LA at the Dunkel Brothers swap meet. No, I didn't find any carbs. I got the fan belt on and fairly tight. Another job that sounds soooo easy whenever it's written. The alternator nut cost me $26, damn. Since I'm almost ready to put the engine in, I washed the engine compartment. Doesn't look like much, but it's much better than when I started. I saw a few very motivating 914-6 at the swap meet and car show. I can't hardly wait to get this thing running. I'll get to drive it to next years Dunkel Bros. Actually it's not called Dunkel Bros. anymore, but ....whatever.
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post Mar 10 2011, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(moparrob @ Feb 27 2011, 08:36 PM) *


I'm looking forward to hearing how you end up dealing with those sensors, since I have a '79 3.0 with the same exact sensors - and I am also going with Webers and MSD.



I bought three of these from NAPA. Oil Drain Plug part # 704-1379. $2.00 each, comes with crush washers. How does it look?
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Perfect! I'm on my way over to Napa now...

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