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> Making top of door window match targa rubber, Alignment issue
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post Oct 27 2011, 04:34 PM
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Maybe I can post a photo to explain this better, but the side glass doesn't go high enough to seal to the rubber. I have new seals rom 914 Rubber, but the glass doesn't go high enough to fit right. I know I can adjust the window to raise higher, but then it will go above the rubber stop on top of the crome guide that holds in the wing glass. The chrome trip is held in place by a bolt in the base of the door and another inside the door. It doesn't adjust up and down. Tell me where I have this adjustment out of wack. Could it be that the rubber seal needs to be thicker. Should I have a filler between the seal and the targa top?
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post Oct 27 2011, 05:33 PM
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one of 4 things has happened.
1: the window is not properly aligned in the door.
2: the door is not properly aligned in the car.
3: you have a late roof and an early car, or an early car and a late roof
4: chassis twist (not likely with yours I think.)

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post Oct 27 2011, 05:39 PM
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I have this same problem...early car....hmmm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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post Oct 27 2011, 05:40 PM
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I had the same issue. Mine was short about 1/4 inch. Had to raise the window. I also had the targa seals reversed at first.
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post Oct 27 2011, 06:12 PM
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The seals were replicated from the late OEM as they had the outer fin. Mine are actually slightly larger. Post some picturs so we can see what your up against here.
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post Oct 27 2011, 08:14 PM
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Adjustment advice would be much appreciated....mine doesn't like up well into the rubber top seals.
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post Oct 27 2011, 08:21 PM
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Most of the adjustment is in the door. Mostly a function of the screw / nut on the bottom.
There is some adjustment on the track itself as it is slotted. You will need to remove the rubber to get at it.
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post Oct 27 2011, 09:00 PM
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I have the same issue with newly installed 914rubber.

Pictures of the adjustments/adjusters would help.
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post Oct 27 2011, 09:42 PM
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Most of the time that's just a joke to raz someone, but in this case it's for real. Gotta have pictures for this one.
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:25 PM
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This is exactly the issue that I was dealing with last weekend. I was told that it was a non-matching year targa top. I had one late top, replaced it and I have the same issue. I noticed that the seal was somehow leaning towards the interior of the car<, if I have someone sit inside with the door close and push it out it looks ok. I had the same idea of raise the seal holder with something, I have not figured that out yet. here is a pic


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post Oct 28 2011, 04:42 AM
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If it is leaning towards the interior, the seals are on the wrong side. Swap them. It doesn't look like they will still match, but you should then be able to adjust the window up some more using the adjustment screw in the door.
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post Oct 28 2011, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE(Seaside6 @ Oct 27 2011, 11:00 PM) *

I have the same issue with newly installed 914rubber.

Pictures of the adjustments/adjusters would help.

I had s similar issue while putting my new seals on the new WAS top. Check the tracks... they are curved, and if you have them on the wrong side they will not fit right. I also used 3M double stick tape rather than screw them in. And put the tracks out just a little bit so on my 75jack car I now have a perfect fit. I'm going to do the same with my other tops, which have issues, as they are earlier tops so fit has not been good on those. Also these seals are much better with the flap, a little softer too making a better seal. I took a drive last night and no wind noise! Thanks 914rnubber.
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post Oct 28 2011, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(Seaside6 @ Oct 27 2011, 11:00 PM) *

I have the same issue with newly installed 914rubber.

Pictures of the adjustments/adjusters would help.

Here is a picture of my was top seal drivers side.


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post Oct 28 2011, 08:00 AM
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Phil,
What width 3M double sided tape are you using and where are you buying it
I like the idea of not using screws to hold the track in place.
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post Oct 28 2011, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE(PanelBilly @ Oct 27 2011, 06:34 PM) *

Maybe I can post a photo to explain this better, but the side glass doesn't go high enough to seal to the rubber. I have new seals rom 914 Rubber, but the glass doesn't go high enough to fit right. I know I can adjust the window to raise higher, but then it will go above the rubber stop on top of the crome guide that holds in the wing glass. The chrome trip is held in place by a bolt in the base of the door and another inside the door. It doesn't adjust up and down. Tell me where I have this adjustment out of wack. Could it be that the rubber seal needs to be thicker. Should I have a filler between the seal and the targa top?

Hi,
Post a few pictures of your door....specifically look at it near the front and rear.
Think about how raising the door would affect your alignment...

If you raise the door, it feels better when closing....it almost falls closed.
You need to remove the window channel, or tip it way out to raise up the door properly...but we are talking about 1/4 of an inch...which you can adjust out of the window guide.

Its a really funky geometry...356 and 914 have this same condition...and I suspect 911 does also...

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post Oct 28 2011, 09:22 AM
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Early car, late top, etc. What years are different?

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post Oct 28 2011, 10:18 AM
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IIRC it was changed in 73, so 70 -72 are the same and 73-75 are same. I am not sure what other difference the targa top would make, As Sr Andy mentioned on one of my thread, if you use a different year you will leak.

After reading that, i went and tried my friuend's 75 on my 74 and it was the same thing, No difference as far as the issue that we are having.


here is the thread for the year differences

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73129
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post Oct 28 2011, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(ppetion @ Oct 28 2011, 09:18 AM) *

IIRC it was changed in 73, so 70 -72 are the same and 73-75 are same. I am not sure what other difference the targa top would make, As Sr Andy mentioned on one of my thread, if you use a different year you will leak.

After reading that, i went and tried my friuend's 75 on my 74 and it was the same thing, No difference as far as the issue that we are having.


here is the thread for the year differences

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73129


Thanks for the link!

Wow, I was completely un-aware there was a difference. A friend had a sanded top he gave me so I wouldn't have to sand mine. I prepped it and painted it. I'll have to check them out tonight....finger crossed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Oct 28 2011, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Oct 28 2011, 10:00 AM) *

Phil,
What width 3M double sided tape are you using and where are you buying it
I like the idea of not using screws to hold the track in place.

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post Oct 28 2011, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(Philip W. @ Oct 28 2011, 06:41 AM) *

Also these seals are much better with the flap,
Phil

What is this flap that you speak of?
My side seals are rock hard and there is a 1/8" gap I want to close now that my interior rustoration is near complete. I got the 914rubber rear targa seal, maybe getting new side seals is an upgrade?
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