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Wayne's 911 Engine Book, Have you read it? |
seanery |
Aug 11 2004, 05:50 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Thanks for your participation! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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cnavarro |
Aug 11 2004, 06:11 PM
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Cylinder Guru Group: Members Posts: 472 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Chicagoland! Member No.: 49 Region Association: None |
There's something wrong with the poll...says I already voted, yet there are no results. Any ideas?
Charles Navarro LN Engineering http://www.LNengineering.com Aircooled Precision Performance |
scotty |
Aug 11 2004, 06:18 PM
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The Fun Never Stops Group: Members Posts: 773 Joined: 20-May 03 From: Portland. Oregon (SW) Member No.: 718 Region Association: None |
What can I say? I'm only at the part where you take the engine apart (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I like it a lot and the fact that he keeps it well updated on his website. Also lots of pictures. I like pictures. I really like some of the avatars here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Each of the pages should've been high gloss cardboard so I could really feel like a junior Porsche mechanic ("Builder Bob's 911 Engine Rebuilding Book") (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
TimT |
Aug 11 2004, 06:21 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
Dont need it, wont buy it.
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seanery |
Aug 11 2004, 06:22 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
if you click "Null Vote" to see the results it won't allow to you vote.
What was your choice Charles? |
thomasotten |
Aug 11 2004, 09:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,544 Joined: 16-November 03 From: San Antonio, Texas Member No.: 1,349 |
I plan on buying it. Is it any good? Do you know the author?
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SLITS |
Aug 11 2004, 09:37 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Won't buy it - I don't do sixers.
Wayne Dempsey is a little crazy, but other than that he's ok. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
thomasotten |
Aug 11 2004, 09:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,544 Joined: 16-November 03 From: San Antonio, Texas Member No.: 1,349 |
Been seeing alot of 6 cyl. "cores" for sale. Lots of 2.7 motors, some under 1K. Been thinking about it. I would like to do one with carbs rather than FI, so that puts me with the 2.2. I think I will need the book. I can look at a type IV core, and know if something is missing. I can't do that with a 6.
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Red-Beard |
Aug 11 2004, 10:43 PM
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"Ya canna change the laws of Physics" Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,124 Joined: 11-February 03 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 288 Region Association: None |
It has a lot of good basic information and step by step on how to rebuild.
However, it reguritates some info that is more speculative than correct (Alusil cylinders are not throw away. If you want to throw them away, send them to me!). It is also written partially, from an extreme engineer/scientist/Porsche Part selling weenie, standpoint. I will not replace items that are well within spec, just because "While you're in there...". James |
Mike D. |
Aug 12 2004, 12:09 AM
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OK, It runs now, and pretty good too! Group: Members Posts: 1,445 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Santa Clarita, Ca Member No.: 85 Region Association: None |
I'm waiting to find one at the used book store... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
-Mike D. |
thesey914 |
Aug 12 2004, 02:42 AM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,155 Joined: 1-January 03 From: Staffordshire -England Member No.: 66 |
I agree with James. It is a very informative book with lots of pictures...but it does seem to be biased to buying all new parts regardless. I enjoyed reading it a lot.
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Rusty |
Aug 12 2004, 04:23 AM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,941 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Great book. Best book around to learn about a flat-6, and that includes the often cryptic factory manuals.
I learned more about the flat-6 motor reading that book in four hours, than I did in three years of lurking on the 911 Rennlist. -Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
JWest |
Aug 12 2004, 06:22 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,662 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 97 Region Association: None |
It's a good book.
To me, if I get one good picture or bit of info then it is worth having, but that's just me - I'm an information hog. It is quite a different style than the other books available on the subject, and remember, just because you read a book does not mean you have to believe every word. |
ArtechnikA |
Aug 12 2004, 01:15 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(thomasotten @ Aug 11 2004, 07:45 PM) ...I would like to do one with carbs rather than FI, so that puts me with the 2.2. specifically, it puts you at a 2,2T which is not a great place to be. there are good carb matches for just about any 911 engine - at least up to 3,2 or so. Webers work fine on 2,7's and 3,0 SC's. most 2,2's came with MFI ... in general - to the thread - if you think you can successfully build a 911 engine after reading exactly one book - go find your power in a V8 crate. i really like Wayne's book, but i also like Anderson V1 and Anderson V2, and Frere's '911 Story,' the factory shop manuals, and the appropriate Haynes - accompanied by the appropriate little Spec Book. Wayne's book doesn't cover much background and doesn't have much information earlier than the late 2,7 - early 3,0. i'm doing a complete rebuild of my 2,2 this winter - kind of a 'minimal upgrade' approach. i think i can be done for about $5000. at those levels, buying and reading a few books is cheap insurance. frankly - if you can swing it - i think the Anderson/Woods engine rebuild class is cheap insurance - it was $600 and a week when i was there -- but i learned stuff that kept me from making mistakes that would have cost me much more... (for instance - buying expensive 4-bearing camshafts only to realise the core engine i'd purchased used 3-bearing cam boxes ...) |
TimT |
Aug 12 2004, 03:51 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
Im kinda surprised this thread didnt really take off..
BTW my 2.2 put out about 180 hp before I changed the cam/twin plugged/ EFI'd it.. im looking for around 200 now, ill get it on the dyno soon |
Joe Bob |
Aug 12 2004, 04:13 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Aug 11 2004, 07:37 PM) Won't buy it - I don't do sixers. Wayne Dempsey is a little crazy, but other than that he's ok. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Kettle calling the Pot.... |
ArtechnikA |
Aug 12 2004, 04:24 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(TimT @ Aug 12 2004, 01:51 PM) Im kinda surprised this thread didnt really take off.. BTW my 2.2 put out about 180 hp before I changed the cam/twin plugged/ EFI'd it.. im looking for around 200 now... it's really a niche publication, and subject. very, very few people will ever ACTUALLY engage in a 911 rebuild project. look how few people here actually rebuild /4 engines. the few who do, do quite a few, and the ones who do it for the first time generate a lot of message traffic - but that's still not a lot of people. i think most of the people who get into 6's "just hope' nothing big ever goes bad, or are resigned to having a shop do the work. ------------- a 2,2S was rated at 180HP. i'm starting with an E, looking at a 0,040" bump to 2,2+ with 85mm 9,8:1 (S-spec) JE pistons. the S cams are a lot more radical and while the valves are the same size, the S ports were a bit bigger. and since i'm building a street, DE, AX car, i think i'll be happier with a broad, flat E-cam torque curve than a higher but peakier S curve. plus i donno how well an E MFI space cam would be matched to S cams, and i'm disinclined to have the pump overhauled just now. if the car turns out to be a long-term keeper, i still have the opportunity to re-freshen it in a couple of years with Nickies (drooling but choking on $2600, a $400 exchange overbore is looking really attractive just now...), Cosworth 'CP' pistons, S cams and heads, and a MFI pump overhaul. for now, a bit of a performance bump and solid reliability is what i need... i think with the displacement and compression bumps i should be a bit over the S-spec 180, although i doubt i'll see over 200 without a cam change. |
thomasotten |
Aug 12 2004, 05:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,544 Joined: 16-November 03 From: San Antonio, Texas Member No.: 1,349 |
So what about the 2.7 engines? Are they bad news because of the stud pulling issues? I guess I am just looking for the least complicated solution. Carbs just seem attactive because you don't need the brain box, et all. Can someone give me a quick estimate on what carbs would cost for an engine like these?
Oh, and another thing. I am 6'4" tall. My seat is all the way to the rear pad. How many inches of seat travel do I sacrifice if I mount an A/C compressor? It gets hot in Texas! |
TimT |
Aug 12 2004, 05:44 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
QUOTE Can someone give me a quick estimate on what carbs would cost for an engine like these? I just sold a cherry set of Weber 40 IDA's for $1000 An aquaintance of mine just bought a set for $700 (needing a rebuild) |
scotty |
Aug 12 2004, 06:04 PM
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The Fun Never Stops Group: Members Posts: 773 Joined: 20-May 03 From: Portland. Oregon (SW) Member No.: 718 Region Association: None |
Mike, please tell me that isn't you jamming your "key" in the trunk lock! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
QUOTE i really like Wayne's book, but i also like Anderson V1 and Anderson V2, and Frere's '911 Story,' the factory shop manuals, and the appropriate Haynes - accompanied by the appropriate little Spec Book. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) many books & experience are always good. Now about the first type 1 I blew up... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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