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> Wayne's 911 Engine Book, Have you read it?
Have you read it? What do you think?
Have you read it? What do you think?
It's AWESOME! GREAT BOOK [ 11 ] ** [33.33%]
It was pretty good, but I got more info elsewhere [ 3 ] ** [9.09%]
Ok, but I expected more [ 3 ] ** [9.09%]
Didn't help much [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Bought it but haven't read it yet [ 6 ] ** [18.18%]
Won't buy it [ 9 ] ** [27.27%]
Bought something else - please note what below [ 1 ] ** [3.03%]
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post Aug 11 2004, 05:50 PM
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post Aug 11 2004, 06:11 PM
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There's something wrong with the poll...says I already voted, yet there are no results. Any ideas?


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post Aug 11 2004, 06:18 PM
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What can I say? I'm only at the part where you take the engine apart (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I like it a lot and the fact that he keeps it well updated on his website.

Also lots of pictures. I like pictures. I really like some of the avatars here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Each of the pages should've been high gloss cardboard so I could really feel like a junior Porsche mechanic ("Builder Bob's 911 Engine Rebuilding Book") (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 11 2004, 06:21 PM
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Dont need it, wont buy it.
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post Aug 11 2004, 06:22 PM
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if you click "Null Vote" to see the results it won't allow to you vote.

What was your choice Charles?
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post Aug 11 2004, 09:27 PM
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I plan on buying it. Is it any good? Do you know the author?
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post Aug 11 2004, 09:37 PM
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Won't buy it - I don't do sixers.

Wayne Dempsey is a little crazy, but other than that he's ok. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 11 2004, 09:45 PM
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Been seeing alot of 6 cyl. "cores" for sale. Lots of 2.7 motors, some under 1K. Been thinking about it. I would like to do one with carbs rather than FI, so that puts me with the 2.2. I think I will need the book. I can look at a type IV core, and know if something is missing. I can't do that with a 6.
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post Aug 11 2004, 10:43 PM
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It has a lot of good basic information and step by step on how to rebuild.

However, it reguritates some info that is more speculative than correct (Alusil cylinders are not throw away. If you want to throw them away, send them to me!). It is also written partially, from an extreme engineer/scientist/Porsche Part selling weenie, standpoint. I will not replace items that are well within spec, just because "While you're in there...".

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post Aug 12 2004, 12:09 AM
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post Aug 12 2004, 02:42 AM
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I agree with James. It is a very informative book with lots of pictures...but it does seem to be biased to buying all new parts regardless. I enjoyed reading it a lot.
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post Aug 12 2004, 04:23 AM
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Great book. Best book around to learn about a flat-6, and that includes the often cryptic factory manuals.

I learned more about the flat-6 motor reading that book in four hours, than I did in three years of lurking on the 911 Rennlist.

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post Aug 12 2004, 06:22 AM
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It's a good book.

To me, if I get one good picture or bit of info then it is worth having, but that's just me - I'm an information hog.

It is quite a different style than the other books available on the subject, and remember, just because you read a book does not mean you have to believe every word.
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post Aug 12 2004, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(thomasotten @ Aug 11 2004, 07:45 PM)
...I would like to do one with carbs rather than FI, so that puts me with the 2.2.

specifically, it puts you at a 2,2T which is not a great place to be. there are good carb matches for just about any 911 engine - at least up to 3,2 or so. Webers work fine on 2,7's and 3,0 SC's.

most 2,2's came with MFI ...

in general - to the thread - if you think you can successfully build a 911 engine after reading exactly one book - go find your power in a V8 crate.

i really like Wayne's book, but i also like Anderson V1 and Anderson V2, and Frere's '911 Story,' the factory shop manuals, and the appropriate Haynes - accompanied by the appropriate little Spec Book.

Wayne's book doesn't cover much background and doesn't have much information earlier than the late 2,7 - early 3,0.

i'm doing a complete rebuild of my 2,2 this winter - kind of a 'minimal upgrade' approach. i think i can be done for about $5000. at those levels, buying and reading a few books is cheap insurance. frankly - if you can swing it - i think the Anderson/Woods engine rebuild class is cheap insurance - it was $600 and a week when i was there -- but i learned stuff that kept me from making mistakes that would have cost me much more... (for instance - buying expensive 4-bearing camshafts only to realise the core engine i'd purchased used 3-bearing cam boxes ...)
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Im kinda surprised this thread didnt really take off..

BTW my 2.2 put out about 180 hp before I changed the cam/twin plugged/ EFI'd it.. im looking for around 200 now, ill get it on the dyno soon
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post Aug 12 2004, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(SLITS @ Aug 11 2004, 07:37 PM)
Won't buy it - I don't do sixers.

Wayne Dempsey is a little crazy, but other than that he's ok. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Kettle calling the Pot....
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post Aug 12 2004, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(TimT @ Aug 12 2004, 01:51 PM)
Im kinda surprised this thread didnt really take off..

BTW my 2.2 put out about 180 hp before I changed the cam/twin plugged/ EFI'd it.. im looking for around 200 now...

it's really a niche publication, and subject.

very, very few people will ever ACTUALLY engage in a 911 rebuild project. look how few people here actually rebuild /4 engines. the few who do, do quite a few, and the ones who do it for the first time generate a lot of message traffic - but that's still not a lot of people.

i think most of the people who get into 6's "just hope' nothing big ever goes bad, or are resigned to having a shop do the work.

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a 2,2S was rated at 180HP. i'm starting with an E, looking at a 0,040" bump to 2,2+ with 85mm 9,8:1 (S-spec) JE pistons. the S cams are a lot more radical and while the valves are the same size, the S ports were a bit bigger. and since i'm building a street, DE, AX car, i think i'll be happier with a broad, flat E-cam torque curve than a higher but peakier S curve. plus i donno how well an E MFI space cam would be matched to S cams, and i'm disinclined to have the pump overhauled just now.

if the car turns out to be a long-term keeper, i still have the opportunity to re-freshen it in a couple of years with Nickies (drooling but choking on $2600, a $400 exchange overbore is looking really attractive just now...), Cosworth 'CP' pistons, S cams and heads, and a MFI pump overhaul. for now, a bit of a performance bump and solid reliability is what i need...

i think with the displacement and compression bumps i should be a bit over the S-spec 180, although i doubt i'll see over 200 without a cam change.
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So what about the 2.7 engines? Are they bad news because of the stud pulling issues? I guess I am just looking for the least complicated solution. Carbs just seem attactive because you don't need the brain box, et all. Can someone give me a quick estimate on what carbs would cost for an engine like these?

Oh, and another thing. I am 6'4" tall. My seat is all the way to the rear pad. How many inches of seat travel do I sacrifice if I mount an A/C compressor? It gets hot in Texas!
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Can someone give me a quick estimate on what carbs would cost for an engine like these?


I just sold a cherry set of Weber 40 IDA's for $1000

An aquaintance of mine just bought a set for $700 (needing a rebuild)
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post Aug 12 2004, 06:04 PM
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Mike, please tell me that isn't you jamming your "key" in the trunk lock! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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i really like Wayne's book, but i also like Anderson V1 and Anderson V2, and Frere's '911 Story,' the factory shop manuals, and the appropriate Haynes - accompanied by the appropriate little Spec Book.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) many books & experience are always good. Now about the first type 1 I blew up... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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