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> Six vs. Four, make a decision
make a choice and your claim
make a choice and your claim
Any four [ 17 ] ** [4.86%]
2.0 four [ 43 ] ** [12.29%]
BIG four [ 87 ] ** [24.86%]
Small six [ 25 ] ** [7.14%]
Mid six [ 84 ] ** [24.00%]
BIG six [ 52 ] ** [14.86%]
Why not, V-8! [ 20 ] ** [5.71%]
Electric [ 2 ] ** [0.57%]
Alternate conversion motor [ 20 ] ** [5.71%]
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post Jul 21 2011, 03:26 PM
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post Jul 21 2011, 05:59 PM
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Back in the early 80's I bought European Racing's 2.4 kit for my 2.0 four. It consisted of 103mm piston and cylinders (103mm x 71mm stroke)?
It lasted between 10k-15k miles between overhauls. It cost me several thousand two times before I sold it. The first break down one of the rings broke and the second time it sucked a valve.

How many miles is everyone getting out of there big fours before it died with some problem that required you to pull the motor to get it fixed? I am curious how reliable they are compared to a six.
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post Jul 21 2011, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 20 2011, 06:18 PM) *

QUOTE(rwilner @ Jul 20 2011, 06:48 PM) *
I definitely want a six someday...but it will come with a 73 911T wrapped around it!

Yepp, them 911s make great donors! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


The best part is getting a motor ready and it's already in a car to test (the 911).
I picked up a 3.0L in a 1974 911 for $6k - it needed a major interior restoration - but it was driveable. So I get a low milage motor, a 915 tranny, 5 lug wheels, entire front end, gauges, and the ability to sell everything else. Got me a hell of a deal!
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post Jul 22 2011, 10:58 AM
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Back in the early 80's I bought European Racing's 2.4 kit for my 2.0 four. It consisted of 103mm piston and cylinders (103mm x 71mm stroke)?
It lasted between 10k-15k miles between overhauls. It cost me several thousand two times before I sold it. The first break down one of the rings broke and the second time it sucked a valve.

How many miles is everyone getting out of there big fours before it died with some problem that required you to pull the motor to get it fixed? I am curious how reliable they are compared to a six.


I think that's way to general a question. Are you comparing a factory built 6 to a garage built 4? Ebay p&c's or nickie's from jake? Lot's of variables to consider. One thing I do know is that no matter what size engine you choose, quality cost $.
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post Jul 22 2011, 11:38 AM
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Back in the early 80's I bought European Racing's 2.4 kit for my 2.0 four. It consisted of 103mm piston and cylinders (103mm x 71mm stroke)?
It lasted between 10k-15k miles between overhauls. It cost me several thousand two times before I sold it. The first break down one of the rings broke and the second time it sucked a valve.

How many miles is everyone getting out of there big fours before it died with some problem that required you to pull the motor to get it fixed? I am curious how reliable they are compared to a six.


I think that's way to general a question. Are you comparing a factory built 6 to a garage built 4? Ebay p&c's or nickie's from jake? Lot's of variables to consider. One thing I do know is that no matter what size engine you choose, quality cost $.

Any big type 4, 2.3 liters or bigger. Just looking for feedback. Any details would be great. Home built, Jake motor, European Racing kit, etc. How many miles did you get out of it. What problems did you have with it?
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post Sep 12 2011, 09:30 PM
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Nothing quite like the sound of a big 6, but I am biased...

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post Sep 12 2011, 09:33 PM
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After driving around all weekend in the mountains, I decided the 3.2 isn't all that. It isn't factory and it is kind of loud. The 1.8 is going back in next week.
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post Sep 13 2011, 04:17 AM
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After driving around all weekend in the mountains, I decided the 3.2 isn't all that. It isn't factory and it is kind of loud. The 1.8 is going back in next week.



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post Sep 13 2011, 07:26 AM
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note that this thread started in 2004 - before renegade began offering a turbo subaru conversion kit and before several installed the subaru svx 6 cylinder engine in their cars with suby trans successfully. that said, some don't like radiators : ) there are several ways to view this thread. from a total cost to HP ratio. from a racing view point and what mods are allowed for a particular class. from the standpoint of the best weight balance for AX/etc. most importantly, before considering any conversion, one must ensure their (5 systems) brakes, suspension, steering, chassis and fuel systems are ready for more HP and G forces. a conversion, (sbc v8 with new crate engine $3k, renegade kit $3k, + install labor cost $3k - guesstimate) to (a good big six $4-8k, all the goodies needed to install it $5k + install labor cost $5k - guesstimate) - and - rebuilding all 5 systems can run $5k-$8k as well. add another $1000 to go 5 lug in front. luckily for many of the wrenches here - they do their own installing and in some cases fabrication as well. my current view. check ebay and craigslist for six prices.
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post Sep 13 2011, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(moparrob @ Sep 12 2011, 08:30 PM) *

Nothing quite like the sound of a big 6, but I am biased...

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post Sep 13 2011, 08:58 PM
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Here it is.
Make a choice, and then tell us all why you say so.

Argue somewhere else. Make your point and move on, please.


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post Sep 13 2011, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Aug 16 2004, 09:36 PM) *

Here it is.
Make a choice, and then tell us all why you say so.

Argue somewhere else. Make your point and move on, please.


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I said big 4. After hearing a Type IV 2770 in my gf's dads Baja! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)
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post Sep 14 2011, 09:20 AM
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Jim: good point. the playing field has changed a bit since 2004


does anyone here mention how the owner will use the car? how you use your 914 is key to the answer. Budget is also a huge factor.

AX: big hot four due to weight balance and torque

Track days, TT: Big six. nothing is as floggable as a Porsche six but $ per pony is high and a small six is expensive per pony

daily driver for the next 15 years: small six
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post Sep 14 2011, 09:22 AM
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V8: still teh best bang for the buck to make a bad ass hot rod street toy
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post Sep 18 2011, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(windforfun @ Sep 13 2011, 06:57 PM) *

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Nothing quite like the sound of a big 6, but I am biased...

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I dunno. A high strung small six is pretty sweet sounding .... nothing quite like it.
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post Sep 18 2011, 07:49 PM
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I voted big 4. Doesn't mess with the handling like a conversion motor, doesn't cost $15k like a nice 6, and I wouldn't feel bad about putting a lot of miles on a cheap Porsche with a VW motor in it...
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post Oct 20 2011, 10:18 PM
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I voted big 4. Doesn't mess with the handling like a conversion motor, doesn't cost $15k like a nice 6, and I wouldn't feel bad about putting a lot of miles on a cheap Porsche with a VW motor in it...


I think you can get a good 6 for less than 15K!
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post Oct 22 2011, 09:58 PM
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I have built a six ...early 3.0...but thinking of building a 1.7 for my next car...
When gas climbs past 150 per litre....i want a four
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I have built a six ...early 3.0...but thinking of building a 1.7 for my next car...
When gas climbs past 150 per litre....i want a four

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