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> Wiper switch differences, trying to add an elec. washer switch
peteyd
post Feb 6 2012, 10:06 PM
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I am trying to figure out what I have here. I noticed that there are two different wiper switches available. 70-72 and 73-76.


This is the one that is in the best condition.
Notice that it only has four pins on the left side.
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I have already attached a switch that I got from davep, which will trigger my electric washer pump that I plan to install.
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This is the second one that I have. Being in worse condition out of the two.
It has five pins on the left side. The extra one being a brown, which is ground correct?
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The switch is also different in that the plunger that would activate the washer fluid has an electrical contact

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I am running a wiring harness from a 72 car. Which switch do I need to use? Am i missing pieces from the first switch maybe?

Im stumped here...

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post Feb 7 2012, 12:19 PM
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I've done a lot of research on this topic. Here is what I know:

Switches:
1. The 4 wire switch does only support low and high speed. The water is activated through a valve. Wipers will not work when the water valve is activated. The connector has 5 terminals but one is not populated.
2. The 5 wire switch adds the timed delay relay option and wipers on when water valve is open. Note that you can't run an electric water pump with this switch. It just triggers the delay relay to operate the wipers when the valve opens.
3. There is a 6 wire switch used in Super Beetle that has an additional wire for the electric pump. This wire doesn't go to the connector and has it's own spade connector that should be routed to the pump (see picture - note that this switch has both the valve and the pump wire so you can use electric or pneumatic washer system)
4. There is an old 924 switch that has the same functionality as (3) but has a larger connector with 7 terminals. It's an extension of the 914 connector with 2 additional terminals, one of them empty. The pump wire is in the extension. (see diagram below)

5. The signal switch has a tab that prevents the wiper switch to go into the intermittent position. That tab must be removed when an extended switch is used.

Harness:
The 914 harness had the option for intermittent wipers. In some models, everything is in place and an intermittent wiper is installed in the front trunk. If that relay is not there, the wire from the switch (5th terminal) is probably still in place but it's wrapped in the harness to prevent a short.
You can add the relay but you'll have to cut the return power from the wiper motor and plug the relay there, together with the said wire and power and ground.

My opinion, and this is what I've done to my car as well, is that with all the trouble you go through to add the wiper relay, it's better to add a programmable relay that will permit you to control the wiper interval. I use a VW relay that allows that just by switching the wipers on-off-on once to program the interval. The relay wiring is a bit different but you need to add that relay anyway.

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QUOTE(Valy @ Feb 7 2012, 10:19 AM) *


2. The 5 wire switch adds the timed delay relay option and wipers on when water valve is open. Note that you can't run an electric water pump with this switch. It just triggers the delay relay to operate the wipers when the valve opens.


Yes you can!

http://www.914world.com/specs/tech_el_washer.php

I briefly mention it in the article above.

You just need to be a bit creative with the wiring ...
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peteyd   Wiper switch differences   Feb 6 2012, 10:06 PM
SirAndy   I am running a wiring harness from a 72 car. Which...   Feb 6 2012, 10:34 PM
jim_hoyland   See: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho.....   Feb 7 2012, 07:49 AM
peteyd   See: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho....   Feb 7 2012, 09:25 AM
Valy   I've done a lot of research on this topic. Her...   Feb 7 2012, 12:19 PM
SirAndy   2. The 5 wire switch adds the timed delay relay ...   Feb 7 2012, 12:29 PM
Valy   2. The 5 wire switch adds the timed delay relay...   Feb 7 2012, 01:14 PM
SirAndy   If you count on the relay to power the pump when y...   Feb 7 2012, 02:16 PM
Valy   If you count on the relay to power the pump when ...   Feb 7 2012, 06:06 PM
jkb944t   I've done a lot of research on this topic. He...   Jun 20 2018, 10:30 AM
peteyd   Great! Thank you Valy for all that info. I no...   Feb 7 2012, 02:36 PM
Cap'n Krusty   A switch from a '77 924, Rabbit, or Scirocco w...   Feb 7 2012, 02:56 PM
peteyd   A switch from a '77 924, Rabbit, or Scirocco ...   Feb 7 2012, 05:35 PM
Valy   A switch from a '77 924, Rabbit, or Scirocco ...   Feb 7 2012, 05:47 PM
Krieger   There are reproductions available. Not great but...   Feb 28 2012, 10:37 PM
Valy   There are reproductions available. Not great bu...   Feb 28 2012, 11:01 PM
Krieger   Which fuse Burns? -5th one from right, it has the ...   Feb 29 2012, 07:59 PM
Valy   Here is the best solution in my opinion, using the...   Feb 7 2012, 06:16 PM
peteyd   Here is the best solution in my opinion, using th...   Feb 7 2012, 07:32 PM
Valy   Here is the best solution in my opinion, using t...   Feb 7 2012, 08:10 PM
Eric_Shea   Update. Many Thanks to Valy for the countless e-m...   Feb 28 2012, 01:01 PM
Bartlett 914   I did a little research on this as well. If you wa...   Feb 29 2012, 08:35 AM
Eric_Shea   Interesting Mark. So if I pull my stalk and activ...   Feb 29 2012, 09:25 AM
Valy   Interesting Mark. So if I pull my stalk and acti...   Feb 29 2012, 09:44 AM
Bartlett 914   Interesting Mark. So if I pull my stalk and acti...   Feb 29 2012, 01:54 PM
Valy   DELETED   Feb 29 2012, 02:26 PM
Eric_Shea   Whew...   Feb 29 2012, 10:01 AM
Bartlett 914   IIRC the brown white wire to the intermittent rela...   Feb 29 2012, 02:23 PM
Valy   Try this: ignition off. Put the which in high spe...   Feb 29 2012, 08:15 PM
Krieger   I put a 16 amp in and put the wiper switch all the...   Feb 29 2012, 08:55 PM
Valy   I put a 16 amp in and put the wiper switch all th...   Feb 29 2012, 09:17 PM
Krieger   So I am measuring between the ground terminal on t...   Feb 29 2012, 09:55 PM
Krieger   Wipers didn't move. I am going to pull out the...   Feb 29 2012, 09:27 PM
Krieger   Plug   Feb 29 2012, 10:14 PM
Valy   That's the signal switch connector. Look at th...   Feb 29 2012, 10:26 PM
Krieger   Doh! I figured that out and this is what I...   Feb 29 2012, 10:34 PM
Valy   OK. Green/white shows that your wipers are probabl...   Feb 29 2012, 10:44 PM
Krieger   black/purple 10.7 black/blue 10.2   Feb 29 2012, 10:53 PM
Krieger   Just got an old wiper switch of unknown origin. P...   Feb 29 2012, 11:03 PM
Valy   Just got an old wiper switch of unknown origin. ...   Mar 1 2012, 12:42 AM
Eric_Shea   Andy... It's your switch. ;) Happy to help...   Feb 29 2012, 11:19 PM
Valy   Eric, I knew you're going to master it! ;...   Mar 1 2012, 12:36 AM
jt914-6   For those who own a '70-71 (I think that is th...   Mar 1 2012, 07:09 AM
Krieger   I'l get back into this tonight when I get home...   Mar 1 2012, 09:57 AM
Krieger   Hey, I'm at it again. Here are some observat...   Mar 1 2012, 09:16 PM
Valy   Your backdate column is grounded. Check from somet...   Mar 1 2012, 09:37 PM
Krieger   There was a small "protrusion" I filed ...   Mar 1 2012, 10:01 PM
Krieger   The protrusion was similar to the top right of you...   Mar 1 2012, 10:07 PM
Valy   :trophy: Happy to help :)   Mar 1 2012, 11:15 PM
Valy   Positive (99% sure but I can't check right now...   Jun 20 2018, 10:28 PM
Valy   Yes, it's 12v.   Jun 21 2018, 01:12 AM


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