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what does the flipped 3/5 gear do? |
Aaron Cox |
Oct 18 2004, 11:21 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
curious, what does this do?
lower rpms in 5th? curious |
bondo |
Oct 18 2004, 11:24 AM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
3rd is 23:29 5th is 31:22. Flipping 3rd and usuing it as 5th would give you 29:23, whuch would give you higher RPMs in 5th.
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Aaron Cox |
Oct 18 2004, 11:27 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
bummer. i need to drop tranny sometime and replace seasl (leaks moderately - shifts great) i am running 50 series falkens, and im pulling like 4k on the freeway goin about 80. drives great, was wonderin what this gear swap did while i am doin tranny stuff
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bondo |
Oct 18 2004, 11:31 AM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
I have an H gear for sale (shameless plug) that will get your highway RPMs way down. The price is dropping very soon.
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skline |
Oct 18 2004, 11:33 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
So 5th gear in a stock 901 is a ZD? I thought it was M. Now I am totally lost.
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Aaron Cox |
Oct 18 2004, 11:35 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(bondo @ Oct 18 2004, 10:31 AM) I have an H gear for sale (shameless plug) that will get your highway RPMs way down. The price is dropping very soon. im clueless about this tranny stuff. its a "while im in there thing" , probably something i can do myself? |
bondo |
Oct 18 2004, 11:42 AM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Oct 18 2004, 10:35 AM) QUOTE(bondo @ Oct 18 2004, 10:31 AM) I have an H gear for sale (shameless plug) that will get your highway RPMs way down. The price is dropping very soon. im clueless about this tranny stuff. its a "while im in there thing" , probably something i can do myself? It's not an easy thing to do, but not impossible either. You'd need Red-Beard's article, my picture article that's in the classics, and the factory shop manuals. Take your time, keep track of what goes where, and it's do-able. You'd probably want to rearrange your existing gears so the jump from 4th to 5th isn't too big. Typically the thing to do (for V8s anyways) is to put the flipped H gear where 5th was, put 5th where 4th was, take 4th, flip it, and put it where 3rd was, and take out the old 3rd. Scott: all 5 914 transmsissions I took apart had the following gears: 1st: A 2nd: F 3rd: N 4th: V 5th: ZD |
TimT |
Oct 18 2004, 12:33 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
QUOTE So 5th gear in a stock 901 is a ZD? I thought it was M. Now I am totally lost. M is typically used as third |
propricer |
Oct 18 2004, 12:49 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: 16-April 04 From: Morgan Hill, CA Member No.: 1,938 |
Stock 914 901 gearing is A-F-N-V-ZD where ZD is 31:22.
Using the H ( 19:32 ) gear in place of 5th will drop your highway RPMs down to less than 3,000 RPM. Also, there are other H gears such as the HA ( 20:32 )and the HB ( 19:31 ). |
Aaron Cox |
Oct 18 2004, 12:52 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
so putting a 5th in the 3rd spot gives you a taller 3rd?
so it sounds like i want a 5th for 3rd, and a stock 5th or an Ha gearset or i could just buy a 55 series tire next time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif) |
skline |
Oct 18 2004, 12:54 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
I got this gear chart calculator from Carquip, its pretty cool and tells what speed and everything you would get with any size gears or tires. Pretty interesting. I will see if I can attach it.
ok, it wont let me attach it. If anyone needs it, I can send it to you in an email, PM me for it. |
eeyore |
Oct 18 2004, 01:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 889 Joined: 8-January 04 From: meridian, id Member No.: 1,533 Region Association: None |
The swap moves 3rd and 5th lower.
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Bleyseng |
Oct 18 2004, 01:59 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I swapped the 3rd and 5th gears and I love the flipped 5th gear in 3rd place but the 3rd gear in 5ths place sucked for a street/AX car. I stuck another 5th gear back in to 5th gears spot for a nice close ratio box that you can still freeway drive.
I run 205x50's also Geoff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) |
Mueller |
Oct 18 2004, 02:18 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
for a stockish /4 motor, i thought Jake thinks that 5th gear is too tall and that the /4 motor benifits from running at a higher rpm (for cooling) so your current tire choice might be okay..
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bondo |
Oct 18 2004, 02:19 PM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
But imagine the gas mileage benefit of running an H gear! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (you would definitely need to downshift on even the slightest hill though)
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