Cairo's 6 Options

[gtgroupe4]

New to the Forum (at least posting on 914W).

Still taking solicitations on the color choice, by chance?

I'd like to offer a compromise on the Gold Metallica, which BTW would look great with matching BBS E50's.

Maybe a nice 1970 Green Metallic (L97P). Since you noted Irish Green, adding a bit of metal flake wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

[Cairo94507]

Welcome and the metallic green is a terrific color. And would be one of the top color choices for sure. I love Adriatic Blue and had my Six come that color there would be no questions about color.

[gtgroupe4]

When I find a way to end my originality fetish.

My next ride will be Lilac.

[scotty b]

I'm still dealing with the backlog, and some issues my former employee left so it's been an hour here and there on Michaels until these other issues are sorted. Engine tin is all repaired and modded and waiting on the powder coater, heater boxes were a PITA. The metal used for the shell was thin to begin with, and being rusted on the inside, it kept blowing through as I was welding. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

[scotty b]

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[scotty b]

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[scotty b]

We got some chrome back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[JmuRiz]

Impressive!

[scotty b]

I'm missing a few pics, they may be on my shop camera. Nothing major, just the finished work on the engine tin and the underside of the trunk finished up. If I find them I'll add them.

[rick 918-S]

Nice work on those H.E.'s! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

[Cairo94507]

Terrific job on the heat exchangers - they look great! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
Thanks for posting some pictures it keeps me going.

[Mike Bellis]

Why save those rusty headers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Isn't there a better option?

[scotty b]

Why save those rusty headers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Isn't there a better option?

Not really. It's this, or stock sized tubing ones for 3000.00 + until someone makes O.E. style with oversized tubing for larger engines. We're just saving these to use until that happens

[mepstein]

Why save those rusty headers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Isn't there a better option?

Not really. It's this, or stock sized tubing ones for 3000.00 + until someone makes O.E. style with oversized tubing for larger engines. We're just saving these to use until that happens

I saw them in person and I sure wouldn't mind owning them once Scotty got done with them. All the rust repair on these cars sort of looks like crap until it doesn't. Then it looks nice again.

[Cairo94507]

Hi Mike- If I could order a set of new heat exchangers with bigger tubes for the 3.2 I would. Until tat is an option I saw no reason to drop $3K+ on the exact same thing I already have, albeit brand new. Scotty will make these look great, no leaks and then they get ceramic coated -hopefully.

[tygaboy]

What an awesome build! Cairo, I'm in Petaluma and gotta meet you at some point.
Scotty - u da man, man! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

[Biggles]

Hi,

I just asked Per at Stoddards this only yesterday and he advised that 'We are considering the larger ones, but need to sell through the smaller ones first.' Make of that what you will. I live in the UK so have no option but to have heat exchangers ! Might buy a OEM set and convert with 1 5/8" pipes which seems the way to go for a 3.2 engine.

good luck with the build !

Chris.

Hi Mike- If I could order a set of new heat exchangers with bigger tubes for the 3.2 I would. Until tat is an option I saw no reason to drop $3K+ on the exact same thing I already have, albeit brand new. Scotty will make these look great, no leaks and then they get ceramic coated -hopefully.

[Cairo94507]

Yeah, I spoke with Stoddards too when they first announced the NOS heat exchangers and they told me the same thing. What I took from that was in a couple years they might make some bigger tube heat exchangers.

It is my hope that my car will have long since been in my garage with me going for weekly drives. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[Cairo94507]

Hi Tygaboy - Thanks so much. It is my sincere hope that Scotty documenting this build to this level will allow others to fully appreciate the issues these cars can present when you start to work on them.

Keep in mind, aside from a dragging brake caliper in the r/f, I drove this car when I bough it and it looked pretty decent.

It seems we get a few of these projects which stall and are abandoned when the real depth of the work required rears its ugly head. I just want people to go into these cars/projects with their eyes wide open so their expectations are realistic.

I love my Six and will keep it until I can no longer drive. Then, if my son is a responsible car person, he can have it. If he is not interested, I would make sure it went to a true Six lover so others can appreciate these beauties for decades to come.

[scotty b]

I can't begin to count how many times I have had people tell me

" you'll love doing this car, it doesn't have any rust"


I have YET to get into one of them and not find any issues. The 356-C coupe I did a couple years ago was the biggest surprise as it truly did not have ANY rust. Other than that, I have taken in cars that were running driving mid west cars with no signs of rust, garage kept east coast cars, 2 California cars only to start stripping them and find holes filled with bondo, fiberglass, or in the case of Michaels car, severe accident damage. One 911 we did a couple years ago had all of this,and the chassis was twisted, and this guy was the 3rd owner....his brother was the second. He was one of the ones that told me the car was a gem, just needed a little work on one rear 1/4 that had been hit previously. I have had several that had been wrecked early on in life and repaired at the standards of that day. ( Michales and Marks cars both were ) Now, multiply that one cars issues by 5-6 cars and you end up with one hell of a headache to deal with.

I make sure I post some of the worst stuff I run across just for the very reason Cairo mentioned. I know people get into this kind of restoration with big eyes and big hearts until the reality hits, because they rarely see the true ugliness that CAN lie beneath the paint. It's near impossible to tell a lot of the time exactly what condition a car is in until it has been stripped. I have been fooled by several customers cars, and have also made 2 bad purchases of my own based on buying on emotion, and not digging deep before handing over the $$$. There are at least 3 members here that have shown up with what they thought were solid cars, and right in front of them I tore out fiberglass that was covering holes, bondo'd and painted. Roofing tar over shitty longs with paint on top of it. The '1987 911 that had a piece of spring steel welded between the 2 A arms to keep the front end " in place " that when I unbolted it, it literally fell out of the car, leaving one of the mounts dangling by a chunk of RTV ( I have pics of that, and the piece of RTV covered floor pan hanging on the wall in the shop.) That guy had been told by another shop he just needed a front end alignment !

If I had taken pics of everyone of the "patches" I've run across, it would make a pretty intertaining book.

I have a 911 in right now that was owned by a Porsche tech, and then another Porsche fan. None of us were aware of the shit that was under the car. We knew the front pan had issues, but had no idea until he undercoating was stripped off that the whole front end was shot. Wrecked, pulled back out, rusted, patched, bondo'd, painted and undercoated.

I even had a 4 year old Toyota pickup come in several years ago from a dealer we did work for that had the frame almost rusted in two. It had gone through an auction house in Pa. The buyer put the car on his lift to change oil and a chunk of bondo came of the frame. Turned out I scraped the under coating off, popped the bondo off, pulled the duct tape off and found the frame so rusted it was flexing I told the dealer to send a rollback, I was NOT going to drive it back


I hope my posts don't discourage anyone from taking a big job, but what I do hope, is that they make people take a better look at their potential project. ALWAYS remember a 300.00 PPI by someone with the knowledge can save you 10's of thousands down the road