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> Did someone say 914 rear hollow swaybar?, I considering building them.
Ira Ramin
post Nov 1 2004, 02:45 PM
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Ok Brad, you’ve got my attention. Actually you had it all along and this project is finally getting close to the top of the new projects list. I’m finally looking at doing a 914 rear swaybar. The design would be similar to my existing swaybar designs with the following criteria. Target price will also be the same. Here is what I’m thinking so far.

1) Hollow chrome moly heat treated bar design.
2) Anodized 6061-T6 aluminum arms with slots for adjusting stiffness.
3) Adjustable droplinks with spherical bearing rod ends for eliminating preload.
4) Noncompliant bushings for the pivot points.
5) Bolt on design using all metric hardware, with no welding or cutting required.
6) Short droplinks to prevent contact with trunk on lowered cars.
7) Optional longer droplinks to allow mounting inside trunk.
8) Size will be about 16mm or 17mm equivalent stiffness and will be determined with testing.

I’m open to any suggestions, so feel everyone free to comment. Currently I’m trying to finalize the design requirements, come up with a realistic design solution, and determine if there’s a big enough market to justify moving forward. Unfortunately I don’t have a 914 to design around. Anyone with a 914 near San Diego interested in helping? Eventually I’ll also need some help with the testing. Initially, I’ll probably build three sets of prototypes and would like to get them on cars that are already sorted out and see a lot of track time. The test cars don’t necessarily need to be near by. At least one car needs to be relatively stock. I have a Weltmeister bar to start designing around, but could also use a factory bar to work with if anyone has one I can borrow or buy. This is your chance to get your opinions heard. Is there interest in a high quality 914 rear swaybar? What features would you like to see? Would anyone be interested in helping with a car to design around and with prototype testing? Target dates would be prototype testing in the spring and the 1st production run in the summer.

Thanks!
Ira
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Ira Ramin   Did someone say 914 rear hollow swaybar?   Nov 1 2004, 02:45 PM
Mueller   only thing missing is driver adjustable while in t...   Nov 1 2004, 02:54 PM
Ira Ramin   Don't you need to go stiffer in the back to ge...   Nov 1 2004, 03:03 PM
SirAndy   ...   Nov 1 2004, 03:13 PM
Mueller  
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  Nov 1 2004, 04:24 PM
seanery   IRA, I'd be up for one late next year for Blu...   Nov 1 2004, 04:27 PM
Reiche   Ira: My brother has an uninstalled rear bar he mig...   Nov 1 2004, 04:31 PM
Aaron Cox   if its anything like your fronts, it'll be a g...   Nov 1 2004, 04:45 PM
Ira Ramin   Aaron, Having the arms parallel to the ground is o...   Nov 1 2004, 05:14 PM
Aaron Cox   ...   Nov 1 2004, 05:17 PM
SirAndy   ...   Nov 1 2004, 05:30 PM
Ira Ramin   I haven’t heard about needing to install the bar...   Nov 1 2004, 05:31 PM
trekkor   Hey! I want to be the tester guy. :boing: I...   Nov 1 2004, 07:52 PM
Ira Ramin  
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  Nov 1 2004, 08:38 PM
TimT   Ira, make all your sway bars hollow!!...   Nov 1 2004, 08:40 PM
ppickerell   I could laser mark the graduations!   Nov 1 2004, 09:08 PM
SirAndy   ...   Nov 1 2004, 09:34 PM
drew365   I have a Weltmeister that I'd love to get rid ...   Nov 1 2004, 09:37 PM
Ira Ramin   Patrick, I'd be very interisted in talking to ...   Nov 1 2004, 09:40 PM
Ira Ramin   Andy, If the Weltmeister bar fits better flipped o...   Nov 1 2004, 09:51 PM
ppickerell   Ira, Email sent.   Nov 1 2004, 09:54 PM
trekkor   ...   Nov 1 2004, 10:03 PM
drew365  
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  Nov 2 2004, 09:11 AM
trekkor   here's some pics of the rear susp. 2-3 inches...   Nov 2 2004, 12:47 PM
trekkor   here   Nov 2 2004, 12:53 PM
trekkor   'gain   Nov 2 2004, 12:58 PM
trekkor   last   Nov 2 2004, 01:00 PM
Brad Roberts   Thanks Ira. You will be contacted very soon about ...   Nov 2 2004, 01:31 PM
Britain Smith   You get even more travel if you install upside dow...   Nov 2 2004, 04:18 PM
Aaron Cox   hmmm... almost looks like you could hook the swayb...   Nov 2 2004, 06:16 PM
Dave Bell   I'm interested in the rear sway... from you IR...   Nov 2 2004, 07:36 PM
Brad Roberts   That distributor will probably be US Dave... LOL ...   Nov 2 2004, 07:37 PM
trekkor   Britain, does the bar loses any of it's effect...   Nov 2 2004, 07:40 PM
Brad Roberts   The bar doesnt care which direction it is being pu...   Nov 2 2004, 07:41 PM
trekkor   Yes, I remember. I even made the changes on my car...   Nov 2 2004, 07:50 PM
Brad Roberts   Bar action didnt change. You didnt change the effe...   Nov 2 2004, 07:52 PM
Aaron Cox     Nov 2 2004, 08:00 PM
trekkor   In my pic the link is parallel to the shock, while...   Nov 2 2004, 08:05 PM
Aaron Cox   ok here goes. (armchair engineer LMAO!!...   Nov 2 2004, 08:08 PM
redshift   Sorry to get off-topic, but   Nov 2 2004, 08:10 PM
Aaron Cox   dammit miles! your meds are on the table, take...   Nov 2 2004, 08:11 PM
Brad Roberts   I dont agree about the front bar working "better" ...   Nov 2 2004, 08:11 PM
Aaron Cox   ...   Feb 7 2005, 11:05 PM
Brad Roberts   Ira, Bills car has the entire rear trunk floor cu...   Feb 12 2005, 08:50 PM
trekkor   This is gonna be cool http://www.91...   Feb 12 2005, 09:01 PM
Ira Ramin   Brad, I’m using 10mm rod ends for my drop links....   Feb 15 2005, 01:35 AM
Racer Chris   I don't think I like that arrangement at all. ...   Feb 15 2005, 06:04 AM
nine14cats   Hi Ira and Brad, Thanks for arranging my car to b...   Feb 15 2005, 07:52 AM
Ira Ramin   Chris, Thanks for your comments. These are very g...   Feb 15 2005, 10:20 AM
trekkor   I'll be on the a/x track in 3 weeks. I wanna h...   Feb 15 2005, 10:35 AM
Cloudbuster   <...   Feb 15 2005, 11:01 AM
SirAndy   <...   Feb 15 2005, 01:32 PM
McMark   Looks like a stock bar mounted on top.   Feb 15 2005, 06:20 PM
Aaron Cox   <...   Feb 15 2005, 07:02 PM
Racer Chris   Ira, Here is a picture of my car with the Weltmeis...   Feb 15 2005, 10:08 PM
Ira Ramin   Trekkor, The bar mounts in a different position, a...   Feb 17 2005, 01:06 AM
Travis Neff   Since the dogbone/tranny mount seems to be a bit o...   Feb 17 2005, 04:56 PM
Travis Neff   Also, since the bars up an down movement is in uni...   Feb 17 2005, 04:58 PM
Ira Ramin   Travis, Your sketch has the best geometry of any o...   Feb 18 2005, 12:51 AM
Racer Chris   If you made long mounting blocks to position the b...   Feb 18 2005, 05:49 AM
Travis Neff   Should be no problems with engine interference, bu...   Feb 18 2005, 09:50 AM


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