 Raised spindles, How to properly do it? |
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| 914_1.8t |
 Nov 10 2004, 12:47 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 3-June 04 From: East Bay Member No.: 2,149  |
I want to go this route, but need to know who sells them? I've been unable to find it on the net. (for a SC front suspension)
Also, how difficult is it to do on your own and how exactly is it done? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) Does any one have any detailed pics of a raised spindle shock/strut? |
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| Mueller |
Nov 10 2004, 02:39 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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for local, I'd try SmartRacing Products, give them a call, if they cannot point you to someone, I know Chris Foley does them back East CFR Welding
I would think there has to be someone local that does this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) |
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| Korijo |
Nov 10 2004, 02:40 PM
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[]D o [] o []V[] o []D Group: Members Posts: 1,308 Joined: 16-July 03 From: North Bend, WA Member No.: 914 |
www.tangerineracing.com
Racer Chris does them. Send him yours, and some cash... Mine look good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) (already done by Chris). |
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| brant |
Nov 10 2004, 02:41 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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not that I'm an expert on this...
and for the record, I've never done it as it wasn't class legal in most places..... but I think it depends upon the brand of strut you have as to how easy and affordable this is... It is not a cheap process I'll let others (chris foley) etc, give you educated advice. brant |
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| Mueller |
Nov 10 2004, 02:44 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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Brant.....Audi motor, audi transmission.....no worries about "class legal" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| 914GT |
Nov 10 2004, 02:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,100 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(914_1.8t @ Nov 10 2004, 10:47 AM) Also, how difficult is it to do on your own and how exactly is it done? I've never done it. My understanding is the welds attaching the spindle to the strut tube are simply ground off, then the spindle is repositioned and rewelded. |
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| Mueller |
Nov 10 2004, 02:53 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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hey Sonu....I'll buy those early 5 lug flanges off of you if you still have them....
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| brant |
Nov 10 2004, 02:55 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Nov 10 2004, 01:44 PM) Brant.....Audi motor, audi transmission.....no worries about "class legal" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) oh yeah... 1.8T .... duh... Still if memory serves, one type of strut (? Bilsteen/boge) is easy or hard due to the shape of the tube.... After he learns the answer I don't know... he may want to buy the correct brand and send them as cores, then re-sell his.. It might be cheaper to go with the smart racing bumpsteer kit than to go the spindle route. brant |
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| Jeroen |
Nov 10 2004, 03:49 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(brant @ Nov 10 2004, 10:55 PM) It might be cheaper to go with the smart racing bumpsteer kit than to go the spindle route. Unless you also bend the steering "knuckles" you'd still need to deal with bumpsteer issues if you raise the spindles. Raising the spindles is the same as lowering the car through the t-bars (bumpsteer wise) The benefits of raising the spindles is keeping suspension (shock) travel and a-arm geometry |
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| neo914-6 |
Nov 10 2004, 03:58 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
I remember the Jaide guys explaining they made their raised spindles by friction welding. High speed spinning them into a stationary part. Don't know if that is still done or if it was all a dream...
Sonu, Is it driveable now? I can't seem to get a half day to come see your car. Felix |
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| Aaron Cox |
Nov 10 2004, 04:01 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
i thought the 4 cyl boges were tapered. and the 6cyl counterparts arent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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| J P Stein |
Nov 10 2004, 04:01 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Has anybody or does anybody know of someone using the Fox spindles sold by Smart Racing? They appear to be the cat's ass, but I would need some
unbiased reporting before sprining for that kinda money. ...or they could send me some & lemme give an objective report (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| brant |
Nov 10 2004, 04:13 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(acox914 @ Nov 10 2004, 03:01 PM) i thought the 4 cyl boges were tapered. and the 6cyl counterparts arent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) different 6clinder struts have different shapes... there are 3 different versions (4 if you count pnematics) I think... brant |
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| brant |
Nov 10 2004, 04:15 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(Jeroen @ Nov 10 2004, 02:49 PM) QUOTE(brant @ Nov 10 2004, 10:55 PM) It might be cheaper to go with the smart racing bumpsteer kit than to go the spindle route. Unless you also bend the steering "knuckles" you'd still need to deal with bumpsteer issues if you raise the spindles. Raising the spindles is the same as lowering the car through the t-bars (bumpsteer wise) The benefits of raising the spindles is keeping suspension (shock) travel and a-arm geometry ohh... good point... there is another less talked about route too. Its a strut chop.. to achieve a body drop. We went that route. on my pictures in the signature link, you can see a weld line where our koni tubes were sectioned and then re-put-back together... (but this requires different inserts) brant |
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| TimT |
Nov 10 2004, 04:33 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
JP my friend has the Fox shocks, they are the shizzle. a bit out of my price range though.
To raise the spindle on 911 struts you need to drill out the rosette weld on the spindle, then just tap the spindle up the tube the amount you want. Then reweld the spindle in its new location. Its also a good idea to weld little gussets in while your at it. Like Jereon mentioned heat the steering arms and bend them down the amount you raised the spindles.. Its really not a big deal, you need a welding machine, drill and torch. |
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| 914_1.8t |
Nov 10 2004, 04:41 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 3-June 04 From: East Bay Member No.: 2,149 |
QUOTE(Mueller @ Nov 10 2004, 12:53 PM) hey Sonu....I'll buy those early 5 lug flanges off of you if you still have them.... Still got em...they're yours. |
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| Chuck Moreland |
Nov 10 2004, 04:43 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 28-October 04 From: san jose, ca Member No.: 3,024 |
Here is the poop:
Bilstein spindles can be raised. Use a 3/4 end mill to cut the stock weld, it's just a round button type weld. Raise the spindle to desired height and re-weld. Max that you can raise with 15 inch rims is 19mm, and even that will likely require grinding of the control arm and ball joint ring to clearance and/or wheel spacers. While you're at it, weld on some re-inforcements to the spindle ala RSR struts. Boge struts should not be raised. The strut diameter increases just above the spindle collar preventing it from sliding up. Some people have machined the spindle collar to increase it's diameter such that it can slide up, but this weakens the collar - not advised. Not only does raising spindles not fix bump steer issues, it actually makes it worse. So if you rasie spindles plan on addressing the bump steer in some fashion. |
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| 914_1.8t |
Nov 10 2004, 04:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 3-June 04 From: East Bay Member No.: 2,149 |
QUOTE(Jaiderenegadesimpson V8 914 @ Nov 10 2004, 01:58 PM) I remember the Jaide guys explaining they made their raised spindles by friction welding. High speed spinning them into a stationary part. Don't know if that is still done or if it was all a dream... Sonu, Is it driveable now? I can't seem to get a half day to come see your car. Felix Not drivealbe yet...havn't really been working too hard on it lately. But I think i should be able to get it driving in the next week~week and half. Just need to attach the linkage (which I finally figured out how to do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) ) and hook up the hydrolic hose to the clutch ms/tranny, and go get an exhaust put on. |
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| andys |
Nov 10 2004, 04:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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I've got Koni Yellow's (I was told by the PO; confirmed on the rears) on my 914. I want to install the '89 911 suspension, but would prefer to keep the Koni's. Anyone know if the two strut tubes are the same diameter on the small end? This would allow me to swap the spindles on the tubes. BTW, how exactly do you remove the rossette welds, as they're below the surface of the forging? Hope I didn't derail the thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| 914_1.8t |
Nov 10 2004, 04:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 3-June 04 From: East Bay Member No.: 2,149 |
hmmm.... i need to see which ones I have in the car.
But i'm thninking about the strut chop option. It seems the leaset difficult and probobly something I could do myself. Wouldn't really mess up suspension allignment. But I guess it will always have the shock copressed a little more (whatever the amount chopped is). But a few inches should not hurt the shocks too much I guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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