 HELP!! broke chopsticks in combustion chamber, anyone for chinese? |
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| opera guy |
 Dec 31 2004, 05:40 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 337 Joined: 28-June 04 From: upland, ca Member No.: 2,268  |
sigh,
it was suggested to me from two different sources to use a stick (wooden dowel, pencil, chopsticks...etc) to put into the sparkplug hole to try to find TDC. Needless to say, when ever i work on my car, things gets... complex. so i got this chopstick in the sparkplug hole... turn the wheel and the chopstick started to go down.. down..good, this is going well, so i thought. then i kept turning the wheel, chopstick start to move up. IM EXCITED!! this is gonna work!!! yes!! then, snap, my chopstick broke in half. half was hanging out the sparkplug hole, the other half fell in! is my only alternative = pulling the heads? or can i somehow "fish" out the broken chopstick? argggg help this is a brand new rebuilt, less than 500 miles |
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| Rhodes71/914 |
Jan 6 2005, 11:36 AM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
Rockaria your animation is great.
I have to agree that dropping the engine is the only safe way to go about this. If the engine only has 500 miles on it then it has recently been out so a drop shouldn't be too hard, everything should be fairly clean and familiar. |
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| aircooledboy |
Jan 6 2005, 11:50 AM
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Sweet Pea's 1st ride in daddy's "vroom -vroom" Group: Members Posts: 1,672 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Rockford, IL Member No.: 1,629 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Christopher, I have paid tall dollars for trial illustrations that couldn't hold a candle to what did here. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) That is really well done. We may be in touch on a more formal basis some day. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) |
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| E-Man |
Jan 6 2005, 12:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 4-March 03 From: S. Windsor, CT Member No.: 390 |
While resisting the ricer joke temptation, I submit:
http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/10/769.pdf It's not worthless; it has pictures! Note that the procedure is usually performed on mental patients, prisoners, inebrieated folks, etc. We've all been through similar ordeals. Good luck! |
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| Bruce Allert |
Jan 6 2005, 12:38 PM
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Hellions asleep Group: Members Posts: 3,289 Joined: 19-March 03 From: Eagle Creek, Orygun Member No.: 441 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
TOTALLY (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif)
Now I understand how it could happen. So glad I kept a hold on the pencil when I did this (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) Good job Chris (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) ......b |
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| Rockaria |
Jan 6 2005, 12:40 PM
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ZippidyDoDah... Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 2-May 03 From: Southwest, USA Member No.: 645 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the kind words. Animations are easy. I just used base pictures from the shop manual and drew the rest in Photoshop, then animated it in ImageReady. It also helped that I had a partialy dissasembeled 1.8 engine on a stand in my garage for reference. |
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| opera guy |
Feb 11 2005, 04:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 337 Joined: 28-June 04 From: upland, ca Member No.: 2,268 |
First of all, apologies and thanks to the ppl who were so caring about this issue back at the other board. apologies bc i asked for advice and took some of them, but didnt update y'all on what happened.
why didnt anyone tell me server's hdd got chewed up? i got 1.5TB here, im sure i could have spared some. anyway. i was the dumb ass who broke a piece of plastic chopstick into the cylinder while trying to find the TDC. i tried vacuuming it out, try sucking it manually (dont recommending it, but the stars were nice tho), try all kinds of chemical, but this plastic didnt even budge, tried tweezer, picks, grabbers, wire cloth hangers mangled into various shapes (these tools make me look like the guy that torture prisoners for information) long story short, nothing worked, cant even get any kind of grip on the above said chopstick. so, while walking my dogs, i saw a nice, well kept, white mazda miata for sale, nice price too. i figure, if i busted the motor (less than 1000 miles) i'll just part out the 914 and buy this miata. so, i went home, fired up the 914, it stopped as soon as it started. so i cranked that baby again, it fired right up. there were some rattle at first, then it stopped. took her out for a test drive.... drove fine. |
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| Curvie Roadlover |
Feb 11 2005, 04:34 PM
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Two trunks are better than one! Group: Members Posts: 2,025 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Southeast Michigan Member No.: 42 |
I remember following this thread with great interest. Glad everything worked out ok for you. Forget the Miata, keep the 914 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif)
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| opera guy |
Feb 11 2005, 04:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 337 Joined: 28-June 04 From: upland, ca Member No.: 2,268 |
yeah, forgotten bout the miata already.
but had i chewed up the motor though... i'd be driving a miata today |
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| Beck996 |
Feb 11 2005, 04:57 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 11-February 05 From: PHX,AZ Member No.: 3,585 |
Do not burn it out!!! Pull the engine from car. Drop cylynder to bottom of stroke. Valves should be closed. Fill cylinder with 10-40 oil. Stick will float to top where you can "fish" it out with tool ( sugical clamp from Radio Shack). Rotate engine to purge oil.... Its gonna smoke when started and foul your spark plug, but I image the stick will be out.
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| airsix |
Feb 11 2005, 05:22 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
I think that's overkill IMHO. 15 seconds at wide-open throttle and even the cast of CSI wouldn't be able to find a trace of that plastic stick. I could be wrong. That's just my opinion. -Ben M. |
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| DuckRyder |
Feb 11 2005, 05:36 PM
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Avatars Mode: OFF because of the recalcitrant few. Group: Benefactors Posts: 767 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Georgia Member No.: 110  |
I don't think that would work, they are used to working in a somewhat more pliable enviroment... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) |
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| Katmanken |
Feb 11 2005, 06:15 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
It's amazing what you can ingest into a cylinder and come out fine.
I sucked the brass accelerator tube out of my solex carb in my Karmann Ghia. Black smoke, good idle, poor acceleration and a rattling that sounded just like a rod knocking. Went around a corner and the knocking went away. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) Musta sucked that thing out the exhaust valve and out the header. I figgered brass was soft enough to not damage the pistons, cylinders, valves or seats. New accelerateor spatzel tube and I was back to terrorizing the Florida Geezers. Brmmmmm Brmmmmmm (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Ken |
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| DJsRepS |
Feb 17 2005, 05:05 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 431 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Sarasota Florida Member No.: 3,060 |
Im the one that said first fire that muther up! And the one that had the special light from Sears and the special hemostat plyers. And the one that said try Zylene to disolve it. And the one that told you that my car dropped a valve and I still drove it home (it jammed into the guide and quit making noise). Also same cyl got filled with water for ? how long. When I fixed it I found minimal dammage one guide and one valve and complete set of springs as that was the failure.. Cyl had a water stain in it but no rust pitting never re ringed it and it d/n smoke or burn oil. Anyway Im sure glad your driving the 914 and not that other thing you were looking at. Man I still drove mine when the seat sat loose on the rust with milk jugs behind it for adjustment and around 8" of rusted floor left seperating you from the ground. I use to think if I hit a big pot hole the seat would eject out the bottom and run me over. I could see the headlines now driver killed by hit and run driver. Victom and driver one in the same! Thats all fixed now but thats how much I like my 914.
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| IronHillRestorations |
Feb 17 2005, 08:30 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,717 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None 
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Glad to know it worked out for you without incident.
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