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post Feb 21 2005, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 21 2005, 12:53 PM)
you made it to the hop before the server, which is the router at the colo. your packets very well might be making it to the server, but they might not know how to get back to you. again, really hard to tell with no access to any of the devices to test from. a traceroute from the server back to your IP would be interesting to see.

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This is in Andy's ballpark now. I assume he can remote into the server and run a tracert or a ping test to check basic connectivity from end-to-end. IP routing can be about as basic as it gets, but sometimes can be a nightmare sorting it out.

Andy??

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post Feb 21 2005, 05:35 PM
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post Feb 21 2005, 07:08 PM
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post Feb 21 2005, 07:09 PM
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Novani.demarc.cogentco is not our provider. there's still another box inbetween.

i did find the problem, however. look at this traceroute ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

i forwarded this to our ISP guys. we'll see if they can do something about it ...


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post Feb 21 2005, 07:38 PM
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I think it' Eric's stupid packets, they stumble around, and never make it home.

I happen to have freshly taught European made homing packets, fresh in from Europe.

These are the expensive ones, don't insult me.



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post Feb 21 2005, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 21 2005, 05:09 PM)
Novani.demarc.cogentco is not our provider. there's still another box inbetween.

i did find the problem, however. look at this traceroute ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

i forwarded this to our ISP guys. we'll see if they can do something about it ...

Loop-de-loop!! Yup, its in the middle. Someone prolly decided to change something on the fly. Hate it when that happens.

Good luck with that.
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post Feb 22 2005, 09:22 AM
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So Miles... are you saying "If you have to ask... they're too expensive" ?

I'm glad the rest of you guys know what the fuch you're doing cause I sure don't. I can bang on brakes and hubs but getting replies from servers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

So... correct me if I'm wrong here but; I'm getting through, it's just not making it back to me? On the return trip it runs into this loop Andy posted?? Am I the only lucky one affected by this SNAFU?

Thanks for looking into it and please keep me posted on the results.

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post Feb 22 2005, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 07:22 AM)
So... correct me if I'm wrong here but; I'm getting through, it's just not making it back to me? On the return trip it runs into this loop Andy posted?? Am I the only lucky one affected by this SNAFU?

yepp, you hit the hammer on the hub ...

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post Feb 22 2005, 04:47 PM
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Andy,

Any luck? I spoke with a few admin-types and they stated that you're the only one who can get this resolved.

Sorry to bug you but it's goin on six days now.

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post Feb 22 2005, 05:09 PM
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who did you talk to? someone at novani.com needs to have a look at the routers.

1-866-4-NOVANI (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 22 2005, 08:32 PM
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Andy,

Any word from the "ISP" guys?

This is hell...
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post Feb 22 2005, 09:25 PM
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Just for giggles again. (Yes I still feel the problem is on your end) You have either DSL or Cable? Right? Have you asked a friend to bring over a laptop and get on your network to check it out? Also, how internet savy is your family? My wife locked a site out of the router so my kid could not get to it. Impressed me she knew how to set up that on the DSL router. Also a while back after the 914club site was off line for a while, after it came back one of my computers failed to get on but the others did.

As well, Can you ping www.914world.com "Start/Run-Type "Command" at the prompt type "ping www.914world.com" it should answer with speeds or timeout.

I am just guessing here but I have a strange feeling someone has not gone out of their way to block you from only one site on a strange router location. But the software running at 914club can ban an IP address or range from connecting, BUt I am sure the admins looked there first... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

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Hey, I'm batting at air here....
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post Feb 22 2005, 09:30 PM
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problem is not on his end. the problem is a routing issue local to novani.com.
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post Feb 22 2005, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 22 2005, 09:30 PM)
problem is not on his end.  the problem is a routing issue local to novani.com.


I have read this post from top to bottom and nowhere does he mention he has tried another computer...

Has he ABSOLUTELY proved its the ISP or external system by testing and getting an identical problem on another computer... If so then yes its out of his hands. if NO then you can not be sure.

After all the stuff the guy has done, The very next thing I do with a situation like this is to hook up my laptop at the persons place and see what mine does on their network. This will tell you for sure where the problem exists.

I get wild ass tracerouts all the time depending on time of day and strange stuff. There is a saying, "Don't jump to concusions."

Wild stuff can happen and it may look like one thing while it is another.

Just make sure you cover all bases with ABSOLUTE PROOF before stating facts.

Just my thoughts. I STILL think it's on his end until all possibilities are eliminated and proven.

My favorte Tech support call goes something like this:

Caller: My Computer just crashed and will not turn on.

Techie: Turn off the powerstrip and wait a few moments then turn it on.

Caller: I did that a few time still nothing.

Techie: is the monitor on

Caller: NO, and I am pissed off.

Techie: Okay sir no worries. Did the powerstrip get unplugged?

Caller: I cannot see that, let me get a flashlight and look.

Techie: You need a flashlight?

Caller: Yes, The power is out and I cannot see the plug.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)
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post Feb 22 2005, 10:41 PM
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did you see the traceroute with the routing loop? router "B" is saying go to "A" to reach eric and router "A" is saying go to router "B". this has absolutely nothing to do with eric, or even eric's ISP. trust me on this one. I do this all day long for a living. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 22 2005, 10:59 PM
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Chris... even I was able to glean from Andy's screen capture that THE FUCHING PROBLEM IS NOT ON MY END.

Now go make yourself useful and paint me a picture of my 914-6/GT in Chrome Yellow and one in Signal Orange. I need to decide. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

E.

P.S. I tried the computer downstairs, networked... NOWORKED. Feel better? Pictures... go make pictures damnit (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 22 2005, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 06:32 PM)
Any word from the "ISP" guys?

nope, not yet. i'll call them tomorrow ...

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PS: yes, this BBS has a IP ban-list, but, when i do a tracert from this server to his IP, i'm not running that through this PHP BBS software, so that IP ban-list is certainly not the fault. the router is in a loop for that particular IP or subnet, which is a routing table issue.
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yup and the routing announcement I see out on the internet for eric's IP is a /14, which means things could potentially be messed up for a whole lot of people.
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QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 10:59 PM)
THE FUCHING PROBLEM IS NOT ON MY END. ...


If its not on your end I will buy you a beer!


QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 10:59 PM)
...P.S.  I tried the computer downstairs, networked... NOWORKED.  ...


That is all I wanted to know. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif)

Good luck,
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I had a problem with my ISP when I couldn't reach the 914world.com either. This happened in ?December?

Everyone was sure the problem was at my end. Heck, I was sure of that and was ready to format and reload my system.

Finally, I got "level 2" tech support from my ISP (DSL). They had me plug in manual IP addresses for the DNS server, rather than the automatic settings I was getting from DHCP.

This worked, and I haven't had to mess with it since. HTH.

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