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post Feb 23 2005, 09:02 AM
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This all reminds me of this group solving a bad running 914 long distance... "Is it a vacuum leak? valve adjust? Electrical short. No It must be a vacuum leak. You checked that? Are you sure. I know its a vacuum leak... " (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)

Just funnin'. Long distance tech support is not easy... I had a client with a computer problem in NYC once that we did everything to fix. I mean everything we could think of. But nothing worked. So the company paid for me to fly out and see what was the problem. When I got there I stood behind the computer, had the guy sit down. I did not touch a thing and walked him through what we had done over the phone and it WORKED perfectly. Go figure! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)
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post Feb 23 2005, 10:48 AM
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You want to decide between yellow and orange? You do need help! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)


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post Feb 23 2005, 10:49 AM
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Hmmm... Orange is nice but yellow gets through the router faster?


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post Feb 23 2005, 12:03 PM
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Chris,

You da man. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

I'll take pictures in lew of brews (for now) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif)

If the damn car wasn't Chrome Yellow already, there wouldn't be a decision. I kinda hate Chrome Yellow and I kinda love signal orange, especially for a GT. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)

Got any with black bumpers and no rear valance? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 23 2005, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 23 2005, 12:03 PM)
Got any with black bumpers and no rear valance? ...

Never done a "no" rear valence before. I have no idea what it should look like. Oh well... I still think the trouble is on your end no matter what tracert I see... "Now where is the tounge sticky out icon at?" I guess this will have to do! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif)


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post Feb 23 2005, 03:47 PM
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Thanks Chris...

I'm pretty sure it's on my end too... now if I could just get my flashlight and find a way to plug in my computer (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) Why, oh why (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) can't I (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) access the club (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) through my (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) regular (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) browser's??? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)
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what about a hosts file....having the 914club DNS name map to something like 127.0.0.1 or soemthing crazy like that would prevent him from accessing the site in a particular browser, correct? I also believe that Compuserve uses its own hosts file too
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post Feb 23 2005, 04:25 PM
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Erock, have you tried resetting your browser doodads... like security... if you have a firewall, reset the list... try upgrading your browser after you do all that..

Once you've wasted all that time, come back, and vent some more.


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post Feb 23 2005, 04:44 PM
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good lord people, it is a routing loop!!!
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QUOTE (Rockaria @ Feb 23 2005, 11:48 AM)
You want to decide between yellow and orange? You do need help! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Got one in cobalt blue? That ROCKS!
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QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 02:44 PM)
good lord people, it is a routing loop!!!

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) ... THEM ---> (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)
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ok, now this is funny ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

first, i did a tracert again from the server to his IP, still in a loop ...

then, i check for the whole subnet (.1), route is fine!
so i then check one IP down and one IP up and they're fine as well (don't mind the timeout on 191, that just means the box is turned off right now).

this is strange that just 1 IP is trapped in a loop.
makes me think maybe someone else is using your IP for spoofing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

is your DSL the dialup type or do you have a fixed IP?
if it's a dialup shut down all your computers and your DSL router and contact your ISP and ask them to manually expire your lease on that IP.
once they've done that, you should be getting a new IP when you reboot your DSL router ...

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C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.192

Tracing route to 71-35-236-192.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.192]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms core02.exc.sf.novani.com [66.28.117.254]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms core02.exc.sf.novani.com [66.28.117.254]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
7 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms core02.exc.sf.novani.com [66.28.117.254]
^C
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.1

Tracing route to 71-35-236-1.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms f29.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.28.101]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms g0-2.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.181]
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p15-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.69]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.94]
7 <10 ms <10 ms 15 ms p10-0.core01.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2]
8 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms qwest.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.154]
9 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svx-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.133]
10 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.14.77]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms slk-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.117]
12 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms slkc-agw2.inet.qwest.net [205.171.131.38]
13 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms 67.41.239.104
14 62 ms 78 ms 63 ms 71-35-236-1.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.1]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.191

Tracing route to 71-35-236-191.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.191]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms f29.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.28.101]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms g0-2.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.181]
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p15-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.69]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.94]
7 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p10-0.core01.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2]
8 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms qwest.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.154]
9 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svx-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.133]
10 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.14.77]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms slk-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.117]
12 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms slkc-agw2.inet.qwest.net [205.171.131.38]
13 15 ms 16 ms 31 ms 67.41.239.72
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * ^C
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.193

Tracing route to 71-35-236-193.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.193]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms f29.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.28.101]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms g0-2.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.181]
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p15-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.69]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.94]
7 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p10-0.core01.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2]
8 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms qwest.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.154]
9 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svx-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.133]
10 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.14.77]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms slk-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.117]
12 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms slkc-agw2.inet.qwest.net [205.171.131.38]
13 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms 67.41.239.72
14 62 ms 47 ms 62 ms 71-35-236-193.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.193]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>
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post Feb 23 2005, 06:14 PM
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well it wouldn't be any sort of spoofing, still is a routing problem. this is more interesting now though! this could be solved in 10 min if someone who owns these routers would run a simple command:

show ip route 71.35.236.192 (cisco syntax)
show ip route 71.35.236.193

compare the two routes and figure out the differences. this will tell you lots of information.

a couple possible causes would be a static host route for .192 (no idea why there would be a static) or a bad CEF entry (cisco centric).
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post Feb 23 2005, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 06:14 PM)
a couple possible causes would be a static host route for .192...

And I bet it is solved by turning of the modem for the night and in the AM turning it on again. Unless he has a static IP he should get a new one and all wil be fixed... From his end... My bet is his modem is just messed up a bit (Causeing the loopy issues) and a reboot and such will fix it.

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post Feb 23 2005, 06:32 PM
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A routing loop....

I saw this episode, where Kirk sees himself... Eric! It's imperative that you DO NOT SPEAK TO YOURSELF FROM THE FUTURE.



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QUOTE (Rockaria @ Feb 23 2005, 04:28 PM)
QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 06:14 PM)
a couple possible causes would be a static host route for .192...

And I bet it is solved by turning of the modem for the night and in the AM turning it on again. Unless he has a static IP he should get a new one and all wil be fixed... From his end... My bet is his modem is just messed up a bit (Causeing the loopy issues) and a reboot and such will fix it.

Can you tell I like to make faces at unleashed Pitbulls through the fence? I do, I really do! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif)

LOL.

rebooting his modem is not going to fix a routing loop out on the internet.

probably his easiest way to fix this (since the other ISP does not care) is call his ISP and either get a new IP either DHCP or staitc for his PC NOT HIS MODEM.
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QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 06:35 PM)
... for his PC NOT HIS MODEM.

I think the gate to this pitbull is open... Now I am going to poke at it...


His computer IP should be 192.168.0.5 or whatever for a qwest modem assigning DHCP addresses. The modem has the interenet IP of 71.35.236.192 or whatever... That is the number that is causing the trouble and needs changing... The DSL modem needs a new IP, I am guessing...

It's all good!
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IIRC, AOL plugs into your existing version of internet explorer... but routes web traffic through THEIR DNS server and routers.

If he can connect to the 914Club on AOL (while connected with DSL), but not when using his independent browser, the problem is with his ISP, not his computer, router, modem, firewall or anything else in his house.

My money is still on DNS settings. This is exactly what I went through for several days - Andy and Clay helped me with some suggestions, but finally I got a nimrod at SBC tech support that actually worked in the U.S., and they gave me IP addresses to manually input rather than relying on DHCP.

Voila... no more problems connecting. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif)

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QUOTE (Rockaria @ Feb 23 2005, 04:56 PM)
QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 06:35 PM)
... for his PC NOT HIS MODEM.

I think the gate to this pitbull is open... Now I am going to poke at it...


His computer IP should be 192.168.0.5 or whatever for a qwest modem assigning DHCP addresses. The modem has the interenet IP of 71.35.236.192 or whatever... That is the number that is causing the trouble and needs changing... The DSL modem needs a new IP, I am guessing...

It's all good!

LOL again.

his modem is not going to have a public IP. his modem is a bridge and gets a private address through DHCP for administration purposes only. he has a router at his house which gets the public IP from DHCP (or static). the router gives his PC the 192.x.x.x address.
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this thread has turned into the equivalent of your 914 brakes squealing and the mechanic putting in new spark plugs for you. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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