Outlaw 914s, Show your "Outlaw" rides Options

[rick 918-S]

Marty, your car is badass! I think it was 2005 WCR? I had the pleasure of taking in some of the details. I agree with Rand. Outlaw is in your face, catch your eye and keeps your attention. There is no subtleness about it. When you look at it you know.

[r_towle]

Seems to me, the term outlaw means:

I did it for me not you
I do not care what you think
My ideas all for me
Fast
Stripped of needless extras

To me, that is an outlaw, something not made to conform to a genre, but to please the builder alone.
I would strongly argue that Magnus and the current 356 outlaws are no longer tuned into that feeling....it's now a culture that seems to have developed yet another set of rules....

To be voted into a group of outlaws seems to be completely against the whole idea of an outlaw....it's a singular car with its sole mission to be pleasing the current owner and builder, nothing more.

[Vysoc]

Here is a random thought,

The 356's have the "Outlaw" tag, the 911's have the "R Gruppe" tag.
The 914 group needs their own identity, the 914-6's (Original) are their own special group. I was working on this idea last week and trying to create an idea for a logo or crest, we need our own identity.

My first thought was "Rebel" and not having anything to do with any Civil War connotations as the Rebel flag would not be a part of the logo.

I think the Outlaw/R Gruppe/Rebel moniker goes with cars that are modified with great taste keeping with the Porsche (914) Marque, alive in the design and doing special things away from the stock; Flared Fenders, Flat Six Engine, Upgraded Suspensions, Modified Exhausts, Modified Interiors, etc...

I do think the ultimate expression that I have seen so far is the Black Swan with the slight chopped top, not a big fan of chopping tops but that car with the hundreds of hours of custom metalwork just "LOOKS RIGHT", in my opinion. That car to me is the ultimate 914 REBEL.

They say we are not thought as highly as other Porsches and the NARP moniker why not coin the name of Rebel?


Just my .02,

Vysoc (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

[EdwardBlume]

To be voted into a group of outlaws seems to be completely against the whole idea of an outlaw....it's a singular car with its sole mission to be pleasing the current owner and builder, nothing more.

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Exactly...

[zambezi]

I won 2nd place in the 2005 356 registrry holiday "outlaw" class with my 1953 Porsche 356. As stated the 911's have the R group and in the Austin Healey circle they label the non stock carss as "nasty boys". We should come up with our own term so when we say it people know right away we are reffering to a 914.

[Madswede]

Interesting thread. I consider my own car to be a hot rod, not an outlaw for most of the same reasons described on this thread already.

My car has a 3.2 /6 that is relatively close to stock: still N/A, but with ITBs and EDIS, new pistons and cylinders, Dougherty racing cam, higher comp, Megasquirt, dual plug... so "relatively" is a relative word I suppose.

The body has had a fair amount of original stuff deleted and GT flares added, as well as custom R-style taillights (with added backup lights), suspension and brake upgrades, Real Fuchs ™ 930 wheels 16x7 and 16x9, front GT-style oil cooler, and a bumper painted two different colors (which gets me the most questions, my favorite being: "why haven't you finished painting your bumper?").

We kept the 901 transmission though, stock gearing, but had it rebuilt and a lot of stuff replaced. Rennshift and linkage too.

It's heavily modified, nowhere really near a stock 914 in the sense of the engine at all and some obvious cosmetics, but outlaw? Nah. The 914 is always being modified so much that in my mind it must be something that really irks the purists. Since I'm not a purist by any means, I'm not qualified to say what an "outlaw" 914 is.

[Camaro Mike]

To be voted into a group of outlaws seems to be completely against the whole idea of an outlaw....it's a singular car with its sole mission to be pleasing the current owner and builder, nothing more.

+1

[Johny Blackstain]

We should come up with our own term so when we say it people know right away we are reffering to a 914.

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Outlaw + "Teener" = Jailbait? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Wdunster]

To be voted into a group of outlaws seems to be completely against the whole idea of an outlaw....it's a singular car with its sole mission to be pleasing the current owner and builder, nothing more.

+1

+2 !!

[poorsche914]

E gruppe

E = einzigartig = unique

Since there seems to be no set rules on what exactly makes a 914 an "outlaw", each one is truly unique.

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[thieuster]

A nice decal / shield of some sort with something like 'E Gruppe' (just to quote a suggestion), or 'M Gruppe' as in 'Mittelmotor' or 'modded / modified / modifiziert'. That will give it some real look and feel. But please, please, NOT with the use of the old German fonts. I prefer early 70s fonts!

Somewhere halfway down this page a few links with a lot of inspiration! Fonts Porsche posters

Menno

[Andyrew]

Fast
Stripped of needless extras

I think this is not necessarily true. I would vote that a diesel engine or a 100hp honda powered car would be outlaw, or maybe "renegade" as its not the norm. And there are PLENTY of cars that I would think would be considered outlaw that have stereo's. And thats completely needless. I mean who needs fenders? Bumpers? Paint? A passenger seat? Glass? "Stripped of needless extras" would be a race car plain and simple.

[MMW]

There is no one definition for an outlaw even in the 356 community. All are just personal opinions. One thing for sure is it pisses off the purists.

My opinion is a car modified to try to be the fastest, baddest car around. Most mods are based on race car stuff & make it barely street legal. Basically a hot rod. Something that at first glance screams "I'm fast" & then can back it up. If it doesn't have the visual then it is a sleeper which is equally cool.

[dlkawashima]

'M Gruppe' as in 'Mittelmotor' or 'modded / modified / modifiziert'.

I like M Gruppe, as in the Middle finger gruppe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif) cuz that's what I picture these guys saying to the purists with their cars.

[DBCooper]

I think the outlaw concept you're looking for is just the sports car equivalent of an American hot rod. Modified for purpose, disregarding anybody's "rules," and making fun of purists.

About a club I have to go with Groucho, and wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member. Of course that's a piss poor attitude, and I know it, but hey, isn't that "outlaw"?

[rgalla9146]

Outlaw ?

[stevegm]

There is no one definition for an outlaw even in the 356 community. All are just personal opinions. One thing for sure is it pisses off the purists.

My opinion is a car modified to try to be the fastest, baddest car around. Most mods are based on race car stuff & make it barely street legal. Basically a hot rod. Something that at first glance screams "I'm fast" & then can back it up. If it doesn't have the visual then it is a sleeper which is equally cool.

I agree. I didn't mean to start a debate. Although it has been an interesting thread. To me the key is - uniqueness. Not necessarily following the trend, but, following the owner's heart. Beyond that, full performance, whatever that means to the owner, would be an important element to me.

[messix]

outlaw = give concourse weanies annurysms

[euro911]

Mike, we voted…….you're officially Outlaw (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

It's because I am from AZ, isn't it? We get a bad rap out here!!

Oh crap ... We're gonna get a bad rap for moving to Payson? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

To me, the term 'Outlaw' denotes a certain look for a Porsche. On 356s and 911s, owners remove the bumper trim (even the entire bumpers on 356s), add deep-dish wheels (some blacked-out), lower the car and possibly 'souping up' the motors.

I consider the BB to be more of a Hot Rod than an Outlaw.

[KELTY360]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) This is a complicated topic bordering on existential intricacies. Seems to me that an 'outlaw' would be a car that goes against the norm, flouting convention. In the 356 and 911 world, that has meant going against the grain of the purist majority.

In the 914 world, the purists are largely a minority who don't tend to speak out for fear of ridicule. So maybe, in our world, the correct, concurs cars are really the outlaws and their owners are the true noncomformists.

Of course, that is changing as purists from the 911 and 356 camps discover the brilliance of 914s and seek to find those correct and original examples.